Concerned about South America

With the new Gamescon animal reveals, we know 32 of the 50ish animals that will appear in the Standard Edition of the base game. I've noticed a somewhat concerning trend that I wonder if anyone else has seen.

We now know about 8 small/exhibit/terrarium species, and so far all 8 of them are found in or near South America. Likewise none of the full-sized animals are native to that region. From an ecological standpoint I understand this choice; the Amazon rainforest is the most diverse ecosystem on earth but is mostly filled with mid- to small-sized animals. Nonetheless, let me explain why this trend is concerning from a design standpoint.

I like to build my zoos in biogeographic areas, grouping African, Asian, and North American animals (etc.) in their own sections. Instead of building one massive herpetarium or insectarium for my small animals, I hope to fit small animal enclosures thematically in between big enclosures within these regional sections. At the moment we have no small animals to represent any region except South America. Assuming that small animals make up no more than 15 out of 50ish species, we will be lucky if we get one small animal for every other region of the world, especially as there are at least a macaw and a sloth rumored but not yet announced that will make still more small animals for South America.

I hope that the remaining small animal announcements will include some geographic diversity. Where are the king cobras, emperor scorpions, scarab beetles, Burmese pythons, gaboon vipers, goliath frogs, or any of the other famous small animals of the world? Moreover, where are the large anchor animals for South America, like jaguars, tapirs, spectacled bears, or giant anteaters? At least one would make a solid basis for a complete South American zoo section. As it currently stands all of my small animals will end up in a single South American house, and the rest of the world will be megafauna only.

Alright, I'm off my soap box now. Tell me if you've noticed this and what you think about it.
 
With the new Gamescon animal reveals, we know 32 of the 50ish animals that will appear in the Standard Edition of the base game. I've noticed a somewhat concerning trend that I wonder if anyone else has seen.

We now know about 8 small/exhibit/terrarium species, and so far all 8 of them are found in or near South America. Likewise none of the full-sized animals are native to that region. From an ecological standpoint I understand this choice; the Amazon rainforest is the most diverse ecosystem on earth but is mostly filled with mid- to small-sized animals. Nonetheless, let me explain why this trend is concerning from a design standpoint.

I like to build my zoos in biogeographic areas, grouping African, Asian, and North American animals (etc.) in their own sections. Instead of building one massive herpetarium or insectarium for my small animals, I hope to fit small animal enclosures thematically in between big enclosures within these regional sections. At the moment we have no small animals to represent any region except South America. Assuming that small animals make up no more than 15 out of 50ish species, we will be lucky if we get one small animal for every other region of the world, especially as there are at least a macaw and a sloth rumored but not yet announced that will make still more small animals for South America.

I hope that the remaining small animal announcements will include some geographic diversity. Where are the king cobras, emperor scorpions, scarab beetles, Burmese pythons, gaboon vipers, goliath frogs, or any of the other famous small animals of the world? Moreover, where are the large anchor animals for South America, like jaguars, tapirs, spectacled bears, or giant anteaters? At least one would make a solid basis for a complete South American zoo section. As it currently stands all of my small animals will end up in a single South American house, and the rest of the world will be megafauna only.

Alright, I'm off my soap box now. Tell me if you've noticed this and what you think about it.

note: the smaller animals I believe take less time to make, so they probably have more of them. Also, its worthy to note that they haven't confirmed or denied that the terrarium animals are apart of the 50+. So in this case, they probably have a variety of them.
 
note: the smaller animals I believe take less time to make, so they probably have more of them. Also, its worthy to note that they haven't confirmed or denied that the terrarium animals are apart of the 50+. So in this case, they probably have a variety of them.
I hope so, though the way the animals are listed in the Animal Trading system implies that all species are counted equally. I had assumed since the announcement of the Deluxe Edition that the base game would have 50 species and the Deluxe Edition would have 53 (technically 50+), thereby fulfilling their advertising promises.
 
In all the footage I've seen on gamescom, I saw two trading tabs: Exhibit animals, and regular animals. Since theres two different tabs, it makes me wonder if the exhibit animals don't count towards the final count.
 
Yeah, that's striking, of course. In my mind, I already plan my zoos too - equally divided - and Jaguar, Alpaca and Hoffmann's two-toed sloth are also on my personal wish list. At the moment a hall with terrariums is sufficient for South America and Europe is completely empty. But with the variety of species we will have to hope for DLCs until all our wishes are fulfilled.
 
When it comes to base zoo games I learned not to hope for European animals a long time ago. Other than the Alpine ibex, it doesn't seem like any European megafauna are internationally iconic in their own right (mostly because there aren't that many European megafauna left, and most are endangered). I expect a DLC before we could hope to see a wisent or an Iberian lynx. But South American animals are much more recognizable. I would hope jaguars at least are iconic enough to make it into the base game.
 
I plan my zoos out by putting all the species that are a-like close to each other. For example, I usually put all the primates in one area, and all the reptiles in one area. I've already planned a komodo dragon house with terrariums with loads of reptiles in the room. Basically things like the terrariums on the walls near this huge window which looks out to a room with komodo dragons.
 
I agree with you that I would love to see a more diverse number of small animals from different locations; however, I do believe I read or heard somewhere that the exhibit animals (small animals) are not counted as part of the 50. I'll have to see if I saw that from Frontier or somewhere else.
 
I agree with you that I would love to see a more diverse number of small animals from different locations; however, I do believe I read or heard somewhere that the exhibit animals (small animals) are not counted as part of the 50. I'll have to see if I saw that from Frontier or somewhere else.

That hasn't been confirmed. It was something that was taken out of context that Bo said. She was trying to state that she couldn't answer the persons question on if they count towards the 50+, but I'm starting to lean on them not counting, since they have a special tab where you can purchase those animals.
 
I noticed this trend as well Cl4ss. I have suspected we will be getting a heavy Africa/Savannah load in the base game, with some North American animals and a smattering of other species, and we would see either regional or biome based DLCs (ie. Rainforest, Desert, Boreal forests, or South American, Australian, Tundra-likely Arctic/Antarctic mix etc). Makes sense from a business stand point, it will give us DLCs for awhile while the game is initially flushed out and then we will see more unique packs that may be more animal category type (bird, reptiles etc.) and maybe a marine one, not so sure about that last one.
 
I noticed this trend as well Cl4ss. I have suspected we will be getting a heavy Africa/Savannah load in the base game, with some North American animals and a smattering of other species, and we would see either regional or biome based DLCs (ie. Rainforest, Desert, Boreal forests, or South American, Australian, Tundra-likely Arctic/Antarctic mix etc). Makes sense from a business stand point, it will give us DLCs for awhile while the game is initially flushed out and then we will see more unique packs that may be more animal category type (bird, reptiles etc.) and maybe a marine one, not so sure about that last one.

Well I mean, theres kind of a tank system in the game, as you can drag the fences up and down, and not to mention you can add water to fences.
 
In my opinion people are way afraid of that 50+ number. That could be 70 as well, or 80.

Folks from Frontier already said a couple of times we shouldn't be scared of that number cause there will be plenty of animal species. By that, I firmly believe they will make something for everyone.

Yes, so far there are the most species from Africa, and there will be even more as spotted hyena and gemsbok are 99,9% sure to be in the game. And if you count camels and rhinos in Africa they too. But that doesn't mean we won't have polar bears, kangaroos, koalas, tapirs, foxes, jaguars, bison, deers. I'm expecting all of them, honestly, I won't be surprised if sea lions join a game from the start. I will be thrilled but surprised no. And again if they leave water creatures for later I won't be mad, cause I know how today market works.
 
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Nothing is confirmed in that regard. And why terrarium animals won't count as specie in the game is beyond me? I mean, ok Bo might get wrong that night and started confusion, but she corrected herself and now things should be clearer.
 
Well I mean, theres kind of a tank system in the game, as you can drag the fences up and down, and not to mention you can add water to fences.

I see that now. Was away from home yesterday so only saw the appropriate streams with that. I just not sure where that will fall in the DLC line up. Personaly, I would put (and want it) later out, flush out the rest of the animals before going aquatic.

In my opinion people are way afraid of that 50+ number. That could be 70 as well, or 80.

Folks from Frontier already said a couple of times we shouldn't be scared of that number cause there will be plenty of animal species. By that, I firmly believe they will make something for everyone.

Yes, so far there are the most species from Africa, and there will be even more as spotted hyena and gemsbok are 99,9% sure to be in the game. And if you count camels and rhinos in Africa they too. But that doesn't mean we won't have polar bears, kangaroos, koalas, tapirs, foxes, jaguars, bison, deers. I'm expecting all of them, honestly, I won't be surprised if sea lions join a game from the start. I will be thrilled but surprised no. And again if they leave water creatures for later I won't be mad, cause I know how today market works.
I fully agree, just watching watching what they have already put in the base game, I'm both surprised, and incredibly happy. I was expecting mainly just typical corner stone species (Elephants, Rhinos, Pandas etc., the big, basic draws), with less common ones coming later on in DLCs. I would not be surprised if on Nov 5th, there are animals we have never seen before.
 
i guess we should also keep iin mind that they have said there are many biomes and themes and that the career mode 'takes you all over the world'. Just because they haven't shown it yet doesn't mean there won't be plenty from other continents - they've used the savannah biome for a lot of their content reveals so far (it may be the most complete) and the European zoo we've seen this week is basically longleat (a safari park) so it's pretty understandable for a first scenario that they've stuck to what was, traditionally, the base of many zoos set up in stately homes. The other animals we've seen have often been revealed on the relevant 'international day' so that might be the only reason we've had them first.
 
especially as there are at least a macaw and a sloth rumored but not yet announced that will make still more small animals for South America.
I would love to see a sloth, especially since it has never been in any other zoo game, probably because its completely arboreal lifestyle is hard to animate. Despite climbing in Planet Zoo I think they would still be a challenge for the designers. However they by no means belong in a terrarium. There are some small mammals that make better choices for possible terrarium animals. Naked mole rats, sengis are too favorites that come to mind but so far we haven't seen any mammals in the exhibit animal category.
Likewise I think it is quite obvious by now that there will be no flighted birds in the base game. I think your "macaw" is a totally unsubstantiated rumor. i would love to see a huge aviary DLC in the future. I think they will have to work out some new game play mechanics in order to make aviaries (just like they will for aquatic animals), but this is such a huge part of modern zoos I think it really important and I expect to see it at some point.
For the base game it would be great to have exhibit animals representing fauna from around the world. Some obvious choices include: dung beetle, rhinoceros beetle, cobra, pitvipers, chameleons. Hopefully we see some creative choices like giant salamander, snake-neck turtles, rock agama as well. And back to South America but there are of course dozens of poison dart frog species that could be represented. This would be an easy choice as it would be mostly a simple recolor. The terrariums are so ridiculously large for species like this that we hopefully will be able to mix species.
 
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