Cool low effort animals

The discussion about reskins, better described as low effort animals to make, pops up here and there quite alot, so i thought, why not make an own, dedicated thread for it?

Starting out, we have the eurasian brown bear. Its the nominal form of the brown bear and quite common in zoos. Should be easily made from a shrunk down grizzly and add both to the asian and european animal count.
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Secound, we have the asian water monitor. They look quite similar to the nile monitor and would bring us not only one of the largest monitors, but also asias most common one.
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One animal i only see rarly discussed, despite being a perfect candidate is the humboldt penguin. Equally as common in captivity as the african, these southamerican divers would be great to show of the rocky shores of souther southamerica.
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We all agree we need more monkeys, and one very common in captivity is not only closly related to our capuchin, but also looks very visually distinct through only minimal changes.
Im talking about the tufted capuchin, whose brown color and funny hair makes them stand out amongst all other capuchins.
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But thats not as close to a true color swap like the black abd white ruffed lemure. I dont know why, but they seem to be very popular, so it felt wrong to leave them out.
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My personal most wanted animal on this list is the south american tapir. Some people might say we dont need a third tapir, but i beg to differ, as all three tapirs would look quite distinct from each other, even with only the colors changed.
Similar to the brownbear ot would actually need a bit of changing, but the way we know frontiee, a new grey skin also seems like a "viable" alternative. #moreTapirsButPlsFrontierByTheLoveOfGodChangeTheMalayanTapirThankYou
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The Grevys Zebra is the largest living wild equine, living in the more mountainous regions of north east africa, an actually underrepresented biome.
+ they actually do look quite different to the regular zebra, for example the stripeless belly, thinner stripes and thouse cute brown and white spots on the nose!
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My secound favorite animal on the list is the european bison, or wisent, a legendary conservation success and one of the largest european animals.
While i dont find it hard to see the difference between them and the american bison, its not a doubt that it would be a great base to create this one of. I would love to see it in the game, especally as we really need more bovine in general.
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But this is not the last bovine on my list, as i want to cap it of with an animal build from the other bovine in the game, the black buffalo. Im talking about it more common in captivity and way more docile tropical relative, the african forest buffalo, also known as red buffalo. I love these guys and would love to see them in the game, especally as they are great for mixed habitats with for example mandrills. Overall great creatures.
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But what do you think? Would you mind more "reskins" in the game? If yes, which one do you prefer, want to add and how do you belive they could be added?
Hopefully this will focus the discussion into one place, instead of being everywhere a little like right now.
 
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I get your point of this, but consider calling it something else than reskins. That is literrally the issue with the Malayan Tapir, it is a reskin and that is why we aren't satisfied with it. No species got the exact same body shape as another species, even if they are closely related, because of that reskins would never do a species justice.
 
True that, maybe something like low effort? I called it reskins because most of the community tends to call them that
I think that would be better. I guess reskins have just become the go to term for animals like this by the community, even though in most cases people want a bit more effort done than just a reskin. So I don't blame you, but it is probably better we avoid that word in the future
 
In addition to all the bears (the more the better), I would like to get the Persian gazelle. My local zoo has them in a mixed habitat with Bactrian camels and it's cool to see those two living together with such huge difference in size.
 
I've increasingly come to realize that I want a "low effort" pack more than most things. I doubt it'd happen because it's an awkward sort of thing to market, but getting a handful of similar animals like this would do wonders for breaking the monotony of everyone's similar zoo rosters. In my state there are two AZA accredited zoos that keep non-native species, and they both have giraffes: one has reticulated, the other Masai. It's cool to be able to see this sort of variety even between two zoos in a small state. Compare this to Planet Zoo, where every single zoo you create is restricted to reticulated giraffes, as is every single zoo anyone else creates. Even a "small" addition like the Masai giraffe would allow so much more personalization of our zoos in this way.

To reiterate, I don't think Frontier would ever do this. But in the unlikely event that they do, I wouldn't expect any species based on others that are strictly DLC, so no capuchins or penguins. I think it would just compound the difficulty of marketing such a pack if it might potentially cannibalize sales of the SA or African pack to newer or thriftier players.

I do think there's surprisingly few (sub)species that would be truly viable inclusions in such a pack, though. The bar for what constitutes a "full" DLC species seems fairly low considering that the Malayan tapir was released as it was and we've gotten two addition canis lupis subspecies, so it's a bit tricky to find (sub)species that definitively fall below that threshold. For that reason, I think subspecies are generally the way to go here, but I do think there are a few distinct species that are a. visually distinct, b. nearly identical in build/behavior to an existing base game species, and c. not popular enough to be included in a traditional DLC pack.

That said, here's what I'd personally shoot for:
  1. Black and white ruffed lemur - seems like an easy enough recolor, and it's commonly cohabitated with the lemurs we currently have in the game. This is the top priority, most obvious pick here for me. My only real concern is that this one might actually cross the Malayn tapir/arctic wolf threshold and could be used in a "proper" DLC pack.
  2. American flamingo - bam, a big splash of color, and a nice addition to both our NA and SA rosters all at once. Easy choice.
  3. Masai giraffe - visually distinct and striking pattern compared to our existing giraffes, plus bonus Zoo Tycoon nostalgia points for those players.
  4. Grevy's zebra - I love their stripeless bellies so much. This is another case just like the giraffes, where one's choice between the two could do wonders for subtle zoo personalization.
  5. Syrian brown bear - I almost hate to give us a third brown bear, but this one is actually a bit more visually distinct than the existing two. I totally get why the Eurasian brown bear might be preferable for some, but I think in this case visual distinction might trump regional representation.
  6. Asian water monitor - I wavered a bit on this one for the same reason as the lemur, but I think it's fine. I don't think this one would sell anyone on a traditional pack, but it's another habitat reptile so there's value in that.
  7. Green peafowl - Fairly striking, and any birds is good birds.
  8. Crowned lemur - Another I started to not include because two lemurs might seem like overkill, but this is my list so whatever. I love lemurs. They're fun, they're adorable, and they're so commonly mixed in different combinations. I would love to be able to have dedicated lemur areas with multiple species either together or separate. I'd love to be able to appreciate the subtle differences between a ring tailed and black and white ruffed lemur habitat, and a crowned and red ruffed. Also check out the sexual dimorphism on these things, it's intense:
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Closing thoughts: I think that there are a few other animals that could work. The bison, tapir, buffalo, and gazelle brought up by others in this thread all seem viable, just not my personal priorities. There's probably a case to be made for an additional lion or tiger, but I don't feel qualified to untangle those webs. I really wish the blue wildebeest was more similar in build to the black one. It's the more iconic species by far, but it seems a bit too distinct in stature to make it into a hypothetical pack like this and I don't think it really has another path into the game. I think most other species that might eventually get brought up in this topic, such as the emu, dromedary, sifaka, or other crocodilians, are far outside of the bounds of what this hypothetical might cover. I wish we had a leopard in the base game so that I could slot in the Amur or Persian in this sort of pack, depending on which one made the base game.

Anyway let's get those two additional lemurs posthaste.
 
I've increasingly come to realize that I want a "low effort" pack more than most things. I doubt it'd happen because it's an awkward sort of thing to market, but getting a handful of similar animals like this would do wonders for breaking the monotony of everyone's similar zoo rosters. In my state there are two AZA accredited zoos that keep non-native species, and they both have giraffes: one has reticulated, the other Masai. It's cool to be able to see this sort of variety even between two zoos in a small state. Compare this to Planet Zoo, where every single zoo you create is restricted to reticulated giraffes, as is every single zoo anyone else creates. Even a "small" addition like the Masai giraffe would allow so much more personalization of our zoos in this way.

To reiterate, I don't think Frontier would ever do this. But in the unlikely event that they do, I wouldn't expect any species based on others that are strictly DLC, so no capuchins or penguins. I think it would just compound the difficulty of marketing such a pack if it might potentially cannibalize sales of the SA or African pack to newer or thriftier players.

I do think there's surprisingly few (sub)species that would be truly viable inclusions in such a pack, though. The bar for what constitutes a "full" DLC species seems fairly low considering that the Malayan tapir was released as it was and we've gotten two addition canis lupis subspecies, so it's a bit tricky to find (sub)species that definitively fall below that threshold. For that reason, I think subspecies are generally the way to go here, but I do think there are a few distinct species that are a. visually distinct, b. nearly identical in build/behavior to an existing base game species, and c. not popular enough to be included in a traditional DLC pack.

That said, here's what I'd personally shoot for:
  1. Black and white ruffed lemur - seems like an easy enough recolor, and it's commonly cohabitated with the lemurs we currently have in the game. This is the top priority, most obvious pick here for me. My only real concern is that this one might actually cross the Malayn tapir/arctic wolf threshold and could be used in a "proper" DLC pack.
  2. American flamingo - bam, a big splash of color, and a nice addition to both our NA and SA rosters all at once. Easy choice.
  3. Masai giraffe - visually distinct and striking pattern compared to our existing giraffes, plus bonus Zoo Tycoon nostalgia points for those players.
  4. Grevy's zebra - I love their stripeless bellies so much. This is another case just like the giraffes, where one's choice between the two could do wonders for subtle zoo personalization.
  5. Syrian brown bear - I almost hate to give us a third brown bear, but this one is actually a bit more visually distinct than the existing two. I totally get why the Eurasian brown bear might be preferable for some, but I think in this case visual distinction might trump regional representation.
  6. Asian water monitor - I wavered a bit on this one for the same reason as the lemur, but I think it's fine. I don't think this one would sell anyone on a traditional pack, but it's another habitat reptile so there's value in that.
  7. Green peafowl - Fairly striking, and any birds is good birds.
  8. Crowned lemur - Another I started to not include because two lemurs might seem like overkill, but this is my list so whatever. I love lemurs. They're fun, they're adorable, and they're so commonly mixed in different combinations. I would love to be able to have dedicated lemur areas with multiple species either together or separate. I'd love to be able to appreciate the subtle differences between a ring tailed and black and white ruffed lemur habitat, and a crowned and red ruffed. Also check out the sexual dimorphism on these things, it's intense:
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Closing thoughts: I think that there are a few other animals that could work. The bison, tapir, buffalo, and gazelle brought up by others in this thread all seem viable, just not my personal priorities. There's probably a case to be made for an additional lion or tiger, but I don't feel qualified to untangle those webs. I really wish the blue wildebeest was more similar in build to the black one. It's the more iconic species by far, but it seems a bit too distinct in stature to make it into a hypothetical pack like this and I don't think it really has another path into the game. I think most other species that might eventually get brought up in this topic, such as the emu, dromedary, sifaka, or other crocodilians, are far outside of the bounds of what this hypothetical might cover. I wish we had a leopard in the base game so that I could slot in the Amur or Persian in this sort of pack, depending on which one made the base game.

Anyway let's get those two additional lemurs posthaste.
Completely agree! You could also add the arabian oryx (based on the Gemsbok) and the Grevy's zebra
 
I tend to call animals like this "clones" personally, but it has similar connotations to "reskin".

Anyway, I love this idea. So many great species I'd like to see added in this category;

- Black-and-white ruffed lemur.
- Tufted capuchin.
- Sumatran tiger.
- Arabian oryx.
- Grevy's zebra.
- Masai giraffe.
- Asiatic lion (same subspecies as the West African lion, but since they differentiated one I'd be happy for the other).
- Southern lion (P. leo melanochaita).
- American flamingo.
- Nile crocodile.
- Lace monitor.
- Green peafowl.
- Eurasian brown bear.
- Eurasian wolf (specifically C. lupus lupus rather than just C. lupus like it already is in the game).
- Humboldt penguin.

And probably more I can't think of off the top of my head.
 
I think a pack of animals very similar to ones already in-game would be very useful for adding diversity to zoos (it could be called something like 'Biodiversity Pack'). As well as lots of good ideas from above, here are a few others I could think of that haven't already been mentioned:

- Golden bellied capuchin: Although the brown capuchin is the most common capuchin species in European zoos, this one is the second most common and has a lot going for it, being a Critically Endangered species endemic to Brazil's Atlantic forest and also being one of the more colourful capuchin species.
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- Blanford's fox: The second-smallest fox on Earth, basically the Asian version of the fennec but one that is adapted to living on mountains and cliffs; the only real difference needed for this animal would be colouration and making the tail a bit more bushy. At least one Spanish zoo keeps these foxes.
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- Drill: Not as commonly-kept nor as colourful as the mandrill, this rarer species is monkey is still becoming more common in zoos. They have been maintained in drive-through safari enclosures and have been mixed with other species, including in-game ones like gorillas, pygmy hippos and bongo.
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- Perentie: Another very large monitor lizard that would inhabit the desert biome, so far unused by any habitat reptile; there is also the advantage that some zoos that do keep them (including Zurich in Switzerland) allow them access to large outdoor enclosures as well.
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Of course, there are also plenty of exhibit animals that could be made from existing animals as well:
  • Golfodulcean poison frog from the golden poison frog
  • Strawberry poison frog from the Lehmann's poison frog
  • Madagascar ground boa from either the boa constrictor or yellow anaconda
  • Ethiopian mountain adder from the puff adder
  • Beaded lizard from the Gila monster
  • Aruba rattlesnake from the Western diamondback rattlesnake
  • Lemur leaf frog from the red eyed tree frog
  • Inland taipan from the Eastern brown snake
  • King baboon spider from the Brazilian salmon pink tarantula
  • Tiger flower beetle from the Goliath beetle
  • Mediterranean banded centipede from the Amazonian giant centipede
  • Imperial scorpion from the giant forest scorpion
 
How does a tegu sound? South America's monitor equivalent?

I can see any big cat race/subspecies, like Malayan tigers or another lion race (I don't know many).

Brazilian or mountain tapir.

Vicuña and guanacos.

Squirrel monkey? Not sure

False gharial.
 
Technically I wouldn't want these to take up slots that could be used by more unique additions, but I guess every pack has some "low-effort animals" anyway? Not sure exactly how low-effort these are, but I certainly wouldn't mind seeing them:

Blackbuck
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Dromedary Camel
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Green Peafowl
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Bighorn Sheep
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Andean Bear
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Leopard (and mountain lion?)
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Grey Kangaroo
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And maybe wallabies would be low-effort too? I also agree with seeing more lions, otters, seals, monkeys, giraffes, zebras, lemurs, and penguins. Though some of these might be higher effort than they seem, or are available or WILL be available as mods.
 
So, people, its me, coming for you with what i would propouse to be the pack after seeing our collective suggestions.
I would call it something like "forgotten relatives" or "lost cousins", as those names are simply more catchy then "low effort animals".
So what would count as a low effort animal?
I would say animals that would not need new animations, riggs and not to crazy moddel changes, no funky new mechanics, basicly related species to what we have already.
For an example, the european bison would be fine, as it is a american bison with a different haircut and a bit different back, while a tamndua wouldnt be fair game, as they would not climbing and a different tail with unique animations for both.

So what is my proposal now?

European brownbear OR american blackbear

European bison

Southamerican sealion

Drill

tufted capuchin

Brazillian tapir

humbold penguin

As an afterword, hurray south america, you could really benefitt from this
 
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