Countering SDC, the fun way..

[Cosmos]

I'm seeing a lot of moaning about this group and yet folks do nothing to counter them. Instead of whining all the time may I suggest doing something about it? I'm starting to lose respect for them given the hypocritical nature of their claims and the way they play; hence why I left.

Here is a suggestion I made on reddit:

If folks really are that upset with SDC and you want to annoy the heck out of them here is what you do:

Mod up some super fast iEagles, Couriers or whatever (grade 5 super duper engines).. Find the latest CG where they are running rampage and serially interdict them and bolt away.. Rinse and repeat.. Expect ship loses, but who cares, super cheap rebuys are awesome

You'll effectively render their gameplay ineffective. Timing is everything, unite and wait for Harry to stream then let the fun and games commence, and we can all enjoy the developing drama on live TV

Pro's:
Fast ships are super cheap and fun to fly
You'll feel happy about annoying people who have annoyed you.
Shouldn't take more than about 10 players acting in unison..
Even the carebears can get in on the action.

Con's:
I might not be on their ex-employee of the month list for a while.
They will adapt but in doing so will render themselves less effective.
I may have just opened up pandoras box..

/popcorn

With enough iEagles scouring CGs you'll be able to shut them down entirely.. Serial indertiction is super annoying

Open is your friend

 

[Crimson Kaim]

Blockade running. Ineffective against a wing if you'd do it alone. Quite easy to avoid in important situations.

When I was raiding the BAAL system, the templars did the same but that didn't stop me from destroying more Gutamaya ships.


I am no member of SDC nor am I looking to be one but in all honesty, blockade running is only a waste of time for those doing it. It's really not that hard to submit and low wake out again.

 

[Cosmos]

Blockade running. Ineffective against a wing if you'd do it alone. Quite easy to avoid in important situations.

When I was raiding the BAAL system, the templars did the same but that didn't stop me from destroying more Gutamaya ships.


I am no member of SDC nor am I looking to be one but in all honesty, blockade running is only a waste of time for those doing it. It's really not that hard to submit and low wake out again.

Its not about blockade running.. Its about harrassing the living hell out of them. Folks complain about them, I'm giving the community a way to shut them down without even firing a shot. Either that or folks should stop moaning about them.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Yep. These tactics have been apllied against SDC and the Code before. Cobras are useful for this as well.

The funny part was where the big boys with the FDLs and Vettes started to complain about harrasment. Good times.

 

[Cosmos]

Cobras are useful for this as well

Not fast enough anymore. You want the ships you can fit those advanced drives to, Eagles, Couriers, etc.. with speeds over 700 m/s

Fit some heatsinks, silent running and should be super easy to evade being killed. Then low wake, 'ultimate disrespect' [haha]

 

[askavir]

That was already done a long time ago long during CGs, long before SDC were even a thing, and it was quite effective depending on the number of players doing it. There were "roadrunner" squads in cheap and/or fast ships interdicting pirates/killers to allow traders to pass and reach the station. But it died off after a while. There even were some salty tears from a few of the killers, demanding this should not be possible and that it was abusing the game mechanics and it was ultimately griefing.

Disrupting / countering these activities was always possible. But evading attacks is still relatively easy, and in fact avoiding being interdicted in the first place is trivial.

But the thing is that the people more prone to loud whining are also the least prone to actually doing anything about it. So the status quo will remain. See any "griefing" or "Sothis/Robigo UA bombed" thread to see what I mean.

To be honest, I find that pirates/killers add spice to the game, and make many activities much more exciting. The fact some people might be there to try to kill me is the reason why I do those boring short hop A<->B trade CGs.

 

[Crimson Kaim]

Its not about blockade running.. Its about harrassing this living hell out of them. Folks complain about them, I'm giving the community a way to shut them down. Either that or folks should stop moaning about them.

The thing is you won't annoy them .. or any proper PvPer. You would make yourself a fly or a mosquito. They'd just ignore you and do whatever it takes as of low wake out again.

And believe me, every PvPer knows the rules of P2P. They could avoid you with instancing if they want to, yes, in open.

Just saying it's a bad idea and the result is the blockade runners watching other CMDRs getting blown up.

 

[Ozram]

I've been using a modded Conda with only 240 cargo. Got through most of the time but faced the rebuy when I got cocky. I'll be honest. I wouldn't have bothered with the CG if they weren't there. Makes it risky, makes it fun (for me). I'm grateful that I faced the rebuy screen for being cocky because nothing short of a dedicated wing of players could have stopped me. Anywho, yeah let's oppose them and cause a little havoc of our own .
Oh, and this is my baby, Dahlia. Love the thing so much I had to buy some paint jobs:

 

[Cynaqq]

Damn it that I don't have the opportunity to do anything about it these days. Real life's got me in it's grip for some time now and for the foreseeable future so no organized group activities in games for me. I'm just not reliable for gaming meetups.

However, I really would like to form an anti-hero group if I had the time. Sort of vigilante a-holes who are no better themselves in manners but with the purpose of annoying the prime annoyers. What I'm imagining is a kind of service like the fuel rats composed of players on call whenever they can, making sure one or two wings are ready in game most of the time. When people encounter certain players who annoy them, no matter if the allegation is true or not, these anti-heroes will try to annoy the hell out of the accused, without fact checking in any way, shape or form. Bullies for hire if you know what I mean.

I can't though because I don't have the time to devote. Someone please take this idea and run with it. It will at least have a background story, unlike the SDC (or if they do have a backstory, they do a poor job of advertising it because I've never heard of it other than they are roleplaying somehow).

 

[Jim Steinman]

I used to fire back at them. It's surprising how many of them were easy to destroy. Nowadays I just ignore them as they tend to run away. They don't really add anything to the game for me. Perhaps that'll change someday.

 

[Robert Maynard]

CobraKhazi and SuicideWinders were used previously (pre-Engineers) for interrupting the actions of those who seek to interrupt the actions of others.

Now the interception meta would seem to have shifted to FleEagles and Cut-and-Run-Couriers - Fly Safe Commanders!

 

[Alex Brentnall]

Imo its a little dangerous with the Frontier "re-iteration of harassment rules" as if the players being targeted took videos they could argue you were harassing them targeting just them repeatedly with the intent of interrupting their play and they were being normal players just targeting everyone without prejudice.

Personally my response hasn't changed since 1.2 and seems a fair way of handling it to me.
Fly open for everything with odd exceptions (exploration, events etc).
If interdicted and killed in a fair enough fight (1v1) I will happily rebuy and return to open with a nod and gg to the cmdr if I see them again.
But, the first time I get killed in a ridiculous fashion (4v1, heat meta etc) I will tip my hat and go into Mobius or one of the other PG's I have access to whistling a jaunty tune. If I feel enough time has passed and/or I'm making good cash on the CG I will return to Open later with the same attitude.

I do keep up on the news when flying open and watch for wanted CMDRs or those lining up behind me, a few emergency SC drops and evasive tactics have saved me many times in the past allowing me to wake in/out effectively.
In any case It's clear to me from the "invasions" of this much loved PvE group that the people that want to see space explosions are annoyed by it, which of course means that will be my first and only response to the nonsense that often occurs. If everyone did this they'd be flying alone after an hour or so and presumably would be sad, I almost always make out on CG's even after a rebuy or two although it's been close a few times.

 

[Cosmos]

Imo its a little dangerous with the Frontier "re-iteration of harassment rules" as if the players being targeted took videos they could argue you were harassing them targeting just them repeatedly with the intent of interrupting their play and they were being normal players just targeting everyone without prejudice.

Gameplay mechanics bud..

Inb4 advanced drives are the new cancer.. lolz

 

[Leo Sagan]

Imo its a little dangerous with the Frontier "re-iteration of harassment rules"

If FD was able to do something against griefing, this thread wouldn't even exist. I mean, the devs themselves got griefed during a major live event recently.

 

[Cosmos]

If FD was able to do something against griefing, this thread wouldn't even exist. I mean, the devs themselves got griefed during a major live event recently.

SDC aren't griefing, there is no griefing in this game bud

 

[Mc80]

I'm seeing a lot of moaning about this group and yet folks do nothing to counter them. Instead of whining all the time may I suggest doing something about it? I'm starting to lose respect for them given the hypocritical nature of their claims and the way they play; hence why I left.

Here is a suggestion I made on reddit:





With enough iEagles scouring CGs you'll be able to shut them down entirely.. Serial indertiction is super annoying

Open is your friend

Problem is, people have better things to do instead of fighting people so they can do what they wanted to do in the first place. All the attempts to get a mob to chase them are in vain no matter how hard you try. Most people just don´t give enough of a damn, they click solo and avoid them completely. This is not Eve, people don´t go around to settle scores usually. The crowd is (thankfully) different here. As for cheap ship swarms, they wont really do anything, they´ll just be slightly annoyed and start to ignore you/evade your interdictions and focus on bigger and slower ships.

 

[Leo Sagan]

SDC aren't griefing, there is no griefing in this game bud

Sorry, forgot about that

 

[Alex Brentnall]

Gameplay mechanics bud..

Inb4 advanced drives are the new cancer.. lolz

If FD was able to do something against griefing, this thread wouldn't even exist. I mean, the devs themselves got griefed during a major live event recently.

Thats is all true but from what I gathered from the whole "rules re-iteration" and yes I use inverted commas is that repetition is the FDev definition between random interdiction and harassment. Personally I'd tread carefully.
I don't disagree with this idea, I was one of the ones doing it with a trusty sidewinder on one particular CG back in the day. Just I think things have changed somewhat since the "good old days"


Either way good luck to all of you.

 

[Cosmos]

Problem is, people have better things to do instead of fighting people so they can do what they wanted to do in the first place. All the attempts to get a mob to chase them are in vain no matter how hard you try. Most people just don´t give enough of a damn, they click solo and avoid them completely. This is not Eve, people don´t go around to settle scores usually. The crowd is (thankfully) different here. As for cheap ship swarms, they wont really do anything, they´ll just be slightly annoyed and start to ignore you/evade your interdictions and focus on bigger and slower ships.

What I am sick and tired of is the endless whining on the forums about folks being shot at. People have a choice, they can either play in solo or pg or do as I suggested, or wing up and fight back. Either way, it would be nice if we put an end to the endless 'griefer' this, 'griefer' that nonesense.

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I've been using a modded Conda with only 240 cargo. Got through most of the time but faced the rebuy when I got cocky. I'll be honest. I wouldn't have bothered with the CG if they weren't there. Makes it risky, makes it fun (for me). I'm grateful that I faced the rebuy screen for being cocky because nothing short of a dedicated wing of players could have stopped me. Anywho, yeah let's oppose them and cause a little havoc of our own .
Oh, and this is my baby, Dahlia. Love the thing so much I had to buy some paint jobs:
http://inara.cz/data/gallery/15/15819x1747.jpg

Thats one sexy paint job.. Really like the camo on the conda

 

[Leo Sagan]

I don't disagree with this idea, I was one of the ones doing it with a trusty sidewinder on one particular CG back in the day.

I remember, I was there Good times !