CQC CQC Veterans' White Knight Syndrome Fallacy IMHO

I've been observing this for a while now and and it somewhat puzzles me. For those who didn't notice, there is a kind of social justice movement among elite CQC players that makes them play in certain way. I don't know when it started because I'm new to CQC myself. I think the idea was to 'welcome new players' and 'not to drive new people away from CQC' due to low population in CQC. Noble indeed. Some veterans genuinely had good heart/intentions, the others follow the suit not to look bad.
But how does it really look in practice:


- Veterans in their circle don't want to be seen as noob killers, obviously they used to be, to get elite rank they killed thousands of noobs. They try to spread the idea onto other new regular players or people who are grinding their ranks, but it's easy to preach and be a white knight now when they no longer need to grind their rank.


- When Veterans join games full of noobs, they often don't try to win them, but they usually excusively pick on the most skilled player in the group (i.e. rank 20 or 30 player or even regular prestige 1 or 2 player that dominates) to 'level the playing field' in a way lol. That is to protect noobs. So if you are one of those talented noobs that stands out and manages to dominate your peers, veteran 'on duty' will just bring you down to make you achieve no better result in the game than everybody else for the rest of the evening. Because only 'the same' is fair and everyone is happy like in cloud cu.ckoo land lol.


- Veterans pretend they go easy on noobs switch to inferior weapons i.e. rapid cannons (yet when they are 2 veterans with rapid cannons in one game they usually don't fight each other, they focus on noobs lol.. I don't know how such teaming up makes it easier to noobs, but who am I to judge? lol)


- Veterans sometimes go for assists rather than kills - They basically join to troll new players. Stripping noobs off their shields to improve their CQC experience of course. I tried that a few days ago, boring as ...... I rather play something else than do that.






I think efforts to encourage people to play CQC are misplaced...


IMHO I think what noobs really need is lack of veterans' persistent presence or interference, like veterans had no interference back when CQC was new.
If you really want to help new players just let them play alone, let them decide the scoreboard, let them progress, have a 1-3 game blast yourself if you must, then have a break.
Don't troll people grinding their cqc elite rank for 10-20 games or all evening (ye beat them in 1-3 games, show them who's da boss lol, but please don't do that for 20 rounds, have a break), grinding the rank is tedious enough as it is.


And for god's sake, CQC doesn't need social justice police. Why people just can't play normally like old Quake Arena days? Have a blast, then get out.


Just my 2 cents. I'm not saying I'm right here, just my opinion.
 
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Not at all... just play the game when you want, but be reasonable.

These days I join for 1-3 games and leave for an hour or more to return and play 1-3 games again... and have a break... rinse and repeat.

Decision to play 1, 2 or 3 games depends how good/bad players are, if there are only players with ranks less than 10 I usually leave just after one game.
But if there are some rank 30+ or prestige guys I tend to stay 2-3 games.

I miss out on TDMs withoud being on discord these days, but I got sick of people talking behind my back on veteran channel instead of saying it in my face in case when they had problem with me. I don't miss it.

I don't play that much anyway.
 
If playing 2-3 games works for you, thats great! but telling how many games people should play is not very reasonable I think.
 
Since the update CQC seems to be doing just fine. I can tell it because I find games almost every time I try to join these days.
 
Yep, the best update ever. It really revived CQC.

Oh and btw, me playing 1-3 games at the time is not doing so because I'm following the 'white knight' agenda. You know I don't care about such things. I don't pretend I do [haha]

It's just the way I like to play these days, luckily for noobs it's good for them too. However if one day I feel like I want to play all evening I will.
 
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Gifted amatuer here..

Personally I could'nt give two hoots if a veteran comes in and facebastes us for two or three hours. Thats giving you the knowledge to improve.

If newbs get salty that they can't win every game, a PvP type of game is not suitable for them at all.

Stick to NPC's if you want a 100% win ratio.

Otherwise, watch your opponent, how he flies, what weapons he uses, where he flies, when he bugs out to recharge shields, when he deploys his countermeasures, which ship he uses, etc etc etc..

Noobs should LEARN from the veterans. Not expect an easy ride. Quite frankly the veteran players have EARNED the right to go in and smash through whichever players they can, they learned the game, the noobs should aswell.

A friend of mine who is ex PC, is without a doubt top dog on our platform, and the amount of stupid salty messages he's had because he spent the time to "git gud" is unreal. Calling him a troll, saying he's only there to grief noobs, etc, it's absolute tripe. If you can't handle someone being better than you in a PvP based game, log into solo and shoot bots.

The veterans literally enable the "Gitting gud", They provide the means too.

If you think anything else, quite frankly, it's ridiculous.
 
Gifted amatuer here..

Personally I could'nt give two hoots if a veteran comes in and facebastes us for two or three hours. Thats giving you the knowledge to improve.

If newbs get salty that they can't win every game, a PvP type of game is not suitable for them at all.

Stick to NPC's if you want a 100% win ratio.

Otherwise, watch your opponent, how he flies, what weapons he uses, where he flies, when he bugs out to recharge shields, when he deploys his countermeasures, which ship he uses, etc etc etc..

Noobs should LEARN from the veterans. Not expect an easy ride. Quite frankly the veteran players have EARNED the right to go in and smash through whichever players they can, they learned the game, the noobs should aswell.

A friend of mine who is ex PC, is without a doubt top dog on our platform, and the amount of stupid salty messages he's had because he spent the time to "git gud" is unreal. Calling him a troll, saying he's only there to grief noobs, etc, it's absolute tripe. If you can't handle someone being better than you in a PvP based game, log into solo and shoot bots.

The veterans literally enable the "Gitting gud", They provide the means too.

If you think anything else, quite frankly, it's ridiculous.

While I understand your sentiment, CQC simply doesn't have the population for such behavior. If I go all out murderer in a game, everyone will just leave, and the lobbies wont be refilled. This is why I mostly will do fixed weapons targeting when im in a game with new players.
 
While I understand your sentiment, CQC simply doesn't have the population for such behavior. If I go all out murderer in a game, everyone will just leave, and the lobbies wont be refilled. This is why I mostly will do fixed weapons targeting when im in a game with new players.

eh seems well populated on PS4, they leave, but it's easy enough to find another lobby tbh
 
In my experience, for just about any game of this type:

* Players learn fastest when they're up against players that are either equally leveled or slightly better than them. Not overwhelmingly better.
* Players have most fun when they're up against players that are either equally leveled or slightly worse than them. They win most of the time, but it takes effort & concentration.
* Being dominated by someone several tiers out of your league is not particularly fun, and you're getting owned so hard it's difficult to learn much of anything.
* Dominating noobs as a vet is boring and makes many players feel dirty, which is why they often try to find ways to avoid doing so by self-handicapping.

For CQC in particular:

* Population in this game is small enough that we can't expect skill-based matchmaking to smooth things out. We need about 100x the player population to sustain that, and the game is niche enough that's never ever going to happen.
 
Only 2 people to start DM is the best change to CQC ever.

But I noticed there is another issue with that. Some people just afk queue for DM and kinda afk progress their CQC rank that way probably.

And I agree, the only way to learn how to play is to play with the best. That's how I learnt, by watching them. Veterans were not gentle with me (yes it was annoying at times, especially when I was trying to progress towards CQC elite rank), so I was learning the hard way and now I can fight pretty much anyone in CQC.
 
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New to CQC, and was puzzled by the apparently afk players that sometimes hang around. I was assuming they were people who leave their ships there to help noobs increase rank. It's nice enough if that's the case (didn't know you can progress afk), but it makes spotting actual combatants a bit harder. No big deal, though.
By the way, this CQC thingy is good fun. Should have tried it earlier, but all I've heard is that it's dead. Glad it isn't so.
 
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