General / Off-Topic Credit where credit is due.

[TheAntitheist Crusader]

I feel the need to counter my own Anti trump posts with this, it must be pointed out.....That Trump has now warned Israel against further west bank settlements (apparently), a u turn that will upset the GOP and Likud, could Trump be the best hope for a two state solution ?

 

[verminstar]

Weirdly enough considering some of my political beliefs, I dont like the situation in Israel...I dont like whats happening with the palestinians, even though Im opposed to what they stand for too. This is why I believe the root cause of so many problems is religion itself. I used to believe that if the world has to face armageddon, israel will be where its starts...part of me still believes that.

I see the US doing with israel the exact same thing they did with republicans here in northern ireland...they created a mess through misguided good intentions. I see the israelis as become the very thing that persecuted them in the past because the most powerful nation in the world gave them the go ahead, and even paid for their army.

But they are not universally supported in the world...thats a myth they tell themselves to justify what they do.

 

[TheAntitheist Crusader]

I'm pro Israel in terms of right to exist and it's defensive wars in 67, 73 and then Lebanon and Gaza, but this west bank land theft must stop. I to would love to see the world freed from religion. Regarding "Armageddon" i think it might involve Israel if it happens, but it won't be them who start it. Also, whilst i'm against the collective mistreatment of Muslims, it's important to recognise that there are 1 billion Muslims in about 30 Muslim majority countries, but only 6 million Israeli Jews (15 million total Jews world wide) so i still consider Israel to be the victim and a largely secular beacon of hope in that region (excluding it's west bank policy).

 

[verminstar]

I'm pro Israel in terms of right to exist and it's defensive wars in 67, 73 and then Lebanon and Gaza, but this west bank land theft must stop. I to would love to see the world freed from religion. Regarding "Armageddon" i think it might involve Israel if it happens, but it won't be them who start it. Also, whilst i'm against the collective mistreatment of Muslims, it's important to recognise that there are 1 billion Muslims in about 30 Muslim majority countries, but only 6 million Israeli Jews (15 million total Jews world wide) so i still consider Israel to be the victim and a largely secular beacon of hope in that region (excluding it's west bank policy).

Oh I agree that israel is needed exactly where it is, but much like yerself, I simply cannot support what they doing on the west bank. Its wrong no matter what way ye look at it, but...america. Cant argue with them so until that support stops, the situation will continue.

Theres not a religious bone in my body and I care little about their beliefs...on either side of the argument. I see both jewish and muslim alike as being different,on fundamental levels...and exactly the same in moral levels as in they both as pig headed as each other with no chance of either side compromising because...religion dictates it to be so. Im not particularly anti muslim or anti christian...Im anti religion, I care little what form it takes.

Because of that stance, I see the jews as being in the wrong in this case because what they are doing on west bank is basically ethnic cleansing...the very thing they suffered under nasi germans in the first place. Ergo, they have become the very thing they hate the most and justify it with...religion. Its their god given right after all which means its near impossible to argue with.

Then again, muslims arent exactly a shining beacon of humans progression either...in many ways still stuck in the dark ages with their extremists being some the most despicable in the world today. I feel sorry fer the women in those societies, I really do, and my daughter genuinely fears them and their backwards beliefs because penpal friends of hers in europe have been on the recieving end of it...wonderful thing social media is in this day and age. Might not be as common as some make it out to be, but it does happen whether the establishment likes it or not...trying to cover it up was a bad idea as many saw through their motives fer keeping it quiet instead of actually dealing with it.

As fer Trump0...we shall see how this pans out although I didnt expect him to do this...dont think anyone saw this coming. As to whether or not it will have any noticable impact, only time will tell. Hes only just in the job and already the sky is falling according to many, yet I look outside and the sky is right there where it was yesterday. I say lets give it a bit longer to see what he does next, as this is a positive thing in my opinion. Wont be popular with the elites though as they hate positive things...they hope fer negatives only which then proves them right, so they will twist even the best intentions to make it look self serving and throw out more right wing innuendo as is their usual habit. Trump might just do some good, although hes very capable of doing a lotta wrong too...then again, isnt everyone?

 

[TheAntitheist Crusader]

I get what you are saying, i agree that he should be given a chance, but his inner circle is worse than he is, also his muslim ban does not include the worst Islamic states (Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, where he has business). But if he can stop the Israeli's from becoming like the people that persecuted them (not there yet) then like i said, i'll credit him. (as if he needs a random Welshman's approval lol). Also, regarding religion, i can assure you that you are "preaching to the choir".

 

[Necronaught]

I think you'll be crediting Trump a lot in the coming months. The appointment of ex Goldman Sachs, on the surface looks nefarious. However GS employs top talent in finance and Trump poaching them was a good move. Also consider that they were only employees and not the brass of GS, coupled with the fact they are not globalists. Clever move by Trump.

Trump has many celebrity friends. Some of those friends say he is obsessed with going down in history as the greatest president of all time. Time will tell. The media will continue its attack on a daily basis. If he continues to deliver prosperity and raise the standard of living, those attacks will soon be shown for what they are.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4182426/Top-gang-thugs-Chicago-appeal-Trump-linked-pastor.html

Interesting article on how Chicago gangs have reached out to Trump through a pastor. The question is are they scared of a Federal assault and clamp down. Or do they really admire Trump's display of power and want better communities. I say the former, although I would like to believe the latter.

 

[verminstar]

I genuinely hope he does do well, I really do and not simply to rub the establishment up the wrong way. Hes different from anything anyone has seen before, and people fear what they dont understand...which is why the establishment hates him and why they will never stop attacking him. While he might well be dangerous, he might also shake the tree and free it from some the rotten apples of the establishment...and that would indeed be a good thing but time will tell. I dont support all his views, but he makes a more convincing argument than many the other jokers who claim to understand us...they dont and never will. Thats why they losing ground on both sides of the atlantic...long may that continue ^

 

[TheAntitheist Crusader]

I'm sorry but i don't buy it folks, he might be "anti globalist" but he's still one of the Elitists trying to destroy the economy through deregulation, and his appointments show that, he is still against poorer people and hard working people as he has shown through his education pick, and his desire to get rid of the affordable care act, he also emboldens the religious right wing in the US, which is harmful on it's own, his team make up "alternative facts", he even shows his lack of care for future generations through his blatant and obvious co operation with big oil and drilling and anti environmental policies, his Muslim ban to appease his voters isn't even going to do the job (other than helping extremist agendas) because he missed out Pakistan and Saudi Arabia among others (Saudi Arabia being the worst) because crooked Trump has business there.....so i seriously doubt i'll be giving him much credit. However, if he helps bring Israel back in to line, i will give him the due credit. Also i believe the anti establishment candidate most deserving of Trust and praise was Bernie Sanders, who has been fighting the establishment for over 40 years, without the lies and contradiction and vile behaviour that we see from Trump, also Sanders does not have big businesses and does not want to be a billionaire who wants to pay less tax (Trump), also Sanders respects war veterans through bi partisan co operation, whereas trump only likes people who "weren't captured".....also Trump dodged Vietam through lying about injury, so why Vets like the guy i'll never know. Trump is deplorable, so was Hilary, but Trump is worse.