CV1 Tear Down : How the internals of the CV1 look and those lenses

megadonkeyx

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amazing, no fairies or unicorns shot out when the magical box was opened. looks like fewer components than the magical exploded views that appeared on reddit.
 

Aldric

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I have a CV1 on order but i am getting increasingly concerned with the reports that the lenses cant be replaced, so over the course of time the lenses will invetitably suffer wear and tear and possibly get scratched and now i wonder if Oculus will be selling spare parts, particularly lenses and if so how on earth we will be able to take out the exisitng lenses, if i switch to the Vive instead i have the same concerns but in the case of Steam i know from personel experiance that their after sales response times are abysmal, so unless i see information that answers this concern it might be that we are buying something that costs a lot of money that will in effect be rendered useless if the lenses get damaged.

At least on the DK2s that i owned the lenses could easily be taken out.
 
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catanonia

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As with anything electrical, it has a lifetime before it needs replacing. Again with anything electrical, like an iPhone, if your screen gets scratched or damaged, you can fix it yourself (with care) or send it to be fixed for an additional cost.

I won't worry.
 

Aldric

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catanonia said:
As with anything electrical, it has a lifetime before it needs replacing. Again with anything electrical, like an iPhone, if your screen gets scratched or damaged, you can fix it yourself (with care) or send it to be fixed for an additional cost.

I won't worry.
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Ah ok, so how would you go about "fixing" yourself a scratched Oculus lens ?

and "sending it to be fixed for an additional cost" does not seem to be an option that i have seen advertised but maybe you have seen where they can be sent to be fixed ? if you have can you link it please.
 

catanonia

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Aldric said:
Ah ok, so how would you go about "fixing" yourself a scratched Oculus lens ?

and "sending it to be fixed for an additional cost" does not seem to be an option that i have seen advertised but maybe you have seen where they can be sent to be fixed ? if you have can you link it please.
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How would you go about fixing a 55inch LCD TV if it developed a scratch on the screen. No difference. 3rd party, manufacturer or insurance.
Stop making a mountain out of a molehill unless you are trying to convince yourself not to buy one, then continue.
 
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Aldric

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catanonia said:
How would you go about fixing a 55inch LCD TV if it developed a scratch on the screen. No difference. 3rd party, manufacturer or insurance.
Stop making a mountain out of a molehill unless you are trying to convince yourself not to buy one, then continue.
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If you cannot answer in a civil manner then dont answer at all, i asked you a question plain and simple, you have not been able to answer that question with a sensible reply, no making "mountains out of molehills" or "convincing myself not to buy one" nonsense thank you.

As with all products i am about to buy i look to the long term not just the short, dropping over £500 or £800 on anything requires thought, if the lenses scratch as they did easily on the DK2 then are you going to just throw the whole unit away and buy another one ?

So you are going to take your CV1 to an optician or other "third party manufacturer are you ? well, good luck with that, what would have been more sensible would have been for Oculus to have removable lenses for easy replacement at cost to the consumer or do you think that is a bad idea too ?
 
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catanonia

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Aldric said:
If you cannot answer in a civil manner then dont answer at all, i asked you a question plain and simple, you have not been able to answer that question with a sensible reply, no making "mountains out of molehills" or "convincing myself not to buy one" nonsense thank you.

As with all products i am about to buy i look to the long term not just the short, dropping over £500 or £800 on anything requires thought, if the lenses scratch as they did easily on the DK2 then are you going to just throw the whole unit away and buy another one ?

So you are going to take your CV1 to an optician or other "third party manufacturer are you ? well, good luck with that, what would have been more sensible would have been for Oculus to have removable lenses for easy replacement at cost to the consumer or do you think that is a bad idea too ?
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This is how they have designed it for probably good reasons. To decide whether to buy an item down to its design and potential problems is for the consumer to decide. But I am simply stating that many products are like this. If they get broken then you have a choice to make. Either attempt to fix it yourself or give it to the manufacturer to fix.

Removable lenses would have been nice, but I am sure there are very good reasons why they haven't designed it as such. But I think it is a pretty weak point to not to buy a product for this reason. For example an iPhone doesn't easily let you replace a damaged screen and the normal course of action is insurance or ask Apple to fix it. But over time an 3rd party industry has developed to fill this gap. Will this happen with VR ? Maybe but in the meantime you have a £600 product that may get damaged and you may have to return to Oculus. A risk we all take on many expensive electrical items.
 
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Spam

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I'm an electronics engineer. That thing looks so simple. That's how well engineered it is. /nerdgasm
 

Tony Spaniels

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Aldric said:
If you cannot answer in a civil manner then dont answer at all, i asked you a question plain and simple, you have not been able to answer that question with a sensible reply, no making "mountains out of molehills" or "convincing myself not to buy one" nonsense thank you.

As with all products i am about to buy i look to the long term not just the short, dropping over £500 or £800 on anything requires thought, if the lenses scratch as they did easily on the DK2 then are you going to just throw the whole unit away and buy another one ?

So you are going to take your CV1 to an optician or other "third party manufacturer are you ? well, good luck with that, what would have been more sensible would have been for Oculus to have removable lenses for easy replacement at cost to the consumer or do you think that is a bad idea too ?
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Just to say, I havent managed to get any scratches on my dk2 lenses after almost 2 years of usage. There have been plenty of times when someone has accidentally pulled the dk2 off the table and my cat enjoys knocking it about. Guess Ive been lucky then?

Anyway, hopefully the lenses in CV1 will be even more robust,seeing as they are permanent.
 

catanonia

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Also looking at the tear video, getting the lenses out isn't that difficult. Sourcing replacement ones maybe in the early days. I would say it is easier than replacing a mobile screen.
 
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Aldric

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Tony Spaniels said:
Just to say, I havent managed to get any scratches on my dk2 lenses after almost 2 years of usage. There have been plenty of times when someone has accidentally pulled the dk2 off the table and my cat enjoys knocking it about. Guess Ive been lucky then?

Anyway, hopefully the lenses in CV1 will be even more robust,seeing as they are permanent.
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Thanks for the reply, i also did not get any major scratches on my DK2 lenses for the similar amount of time i owned them but i did find that cleaning the lenses even with the supplied cloth over time produced tiny circles on the surface of the lenses although i did not notice any visual problem in ED with the headset on, have you noticed anything similar to tiny round very shallow scratching being visible when you hold the lenses at varying angles to light ?

It seemed to me that the DK2 lenses where made of some type of soft plastic, hopefully the CV1 lenses are made of glass and if so, should be a lot more resiliant to scratching/damage over time.
 
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Aldric

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catanonia said:
Also looking at the tear video, getting the lenses out isn't that difficult. Sourcing replacement ones maybe in the early days. I would say it is easier than replacing a mobile screen.
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I agree that taking the lenses out is not too difficult according to the video, but once the user has done that it would probably invalidate the Oculus warranty, it might well be that i am worrying for nothing, if third party companies start supporting spare parts like lenses then i guess things will be ok for everyone, i hope so, i have until July before my CV1 ships so i will keep a lookout to see how people that already have them are getting on.
 
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Bakkster

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Aldric said:
It seemed to me that the DK2 lenses where made of some type of soft plastic, hopefully the CV1 lenses are made of glass and if so, should be a lot more resiliant to scratching/damage over time.
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You don't want actual glass, since glass is prone to all sorts of other issues (weight, for instance). Glass may not be capable of the fine details either, since it's an amorphous solid.

Ideally you'd want a polycarbonate lens, like scratch-resistant eyeglasses. They also do anti-glare and anti-scratch coatings.

I'm also curious to see what material the lenses are made from, and how scratch resistant they actually are.
 

Avago Earo

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I'm not sure that I've learned anything from this. I'd like to get into VR so I guess we're on the same page. The presenter of the video didn't explain anything about the circuitry... Suppose I was expecting too much.

I've seen a lot of YouTube videos regarding the Fresnel Lenses of the CV1 and that they (well, obviously) diffract light and that in high contrast scenes with, say, a black background (pick a game...), there is a lot of blurring. So, has anyone tried ED with the CV1 and is that blurring a problem?

It's going to take years to save up so any first hand experience would be useful.

Cheers in advance.
 
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