http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-07/07/david-braben-vr-caution
His main concerns sound like things my old nan would have worried out.
His main concerns sound like things my old nan would have worried out.
David Braben urges caution on VR
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Maybe they are both just older and wiser..? You look quite young in your pic
In 1985 I showed my then 74-year-old nan my copy of Elite running in my C64. Her opinion was damning: 'Why would you want to cut yourself off from the world and do that rubbish' or words to that effect. I explained that playing computer games was little different to reading a book, but the old girl had become too old and stupid to connect with anything new. The older she got the more out of touch with the modern world she became.
DB, if you're reading this: don't worry about what old people are going to think about VR because they will all be dead in a few years anyway.
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Well I was just kidding in my first post but your reply does genuinely trouble me.
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As it happens I am 74 too. I realise that today's oldies may not look like they know much about the Internet, video games or PCs, or even how to work a mouse, run a spreadsheet or write with word processors. On the other hand you do need to remember which generation invented all those things
PS You are right about those small sheds in the back yards though...
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My Nan?.. Let me tell about my Nan <bang>
I wouldn't worry about Duke's reply too much. It just sounds like you touched a nerve. He needs a lie down on a couch and for someone to talk to him about his Nan.
I'm not sure what David Braben was trying to achieve here, but he did manage to mention that Elite: Dangerous is one of the few games that has DK2 support... which was nice.
I wouldn't worry about Duke's reply too much. It just sounds like you touched a nerve. He needs a lie down on a couch and for someone to talk to him about his Nan.
I'm not sure what David Braben was trying to achieve here, but he did manage to mention that Elite: Dangerous is one of the few games that has DK2 support... which was nice.
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As it happens I am 74 too. I realise that today's oldies may not look like they know much about the Internet, video games or PCs, or even how to work a mouse, run a spreadsheet or write with word processors. On the other hand you do need to remember which generation invented all those things
PS You are right about those small sheds in the back yards though...
You don't have to be old to be a Luddite, of course, but it does seem to help. The 'kids' who initiated the computer games revolution didn't get an awful lot of help from their own generation, in fact it was subsequent generations who picked up that particular 'ball' and ran with it.
My advice to DB is not to worry about ludditry.
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SlackR
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As you all know i am a VR addict and am a huge supporter of the tech and ED ... But...
I have HUGE concerns regarding VR in the mainstream.
I find many modern day computer games far too explicit / graphic for my tastes and the ultra realsitc gunshots, explosions and general gore is a legitimate concern IMO. Now add VR into the mix! Lol
Ill admit my main interest is in the educational potential of VR but the day you get to photorealistically play GTA, we are in big trouble.
I have HUGE concerns regarding VR in the mainstream.
I find many modern day computer games far too explicit / graphic for my tastes and the ultra realsitc gunshots, explosions and general gore is a legitimate concern IMO. Now add VR into the mix! Lol
Ill admit my main interest is in the educational potential of VR but the day you get to photorealistically play GTA, we are in big trouble.
I have never seen an ultra realistic gunshot in any game, ever. And I've played a lot of games, and discharged a lot of firearms and ordnance
In fact I'm going to the range this afternoon with this:
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I have never seen an ultra realistic gunshot in any game, ever. And I've played a lot of games, and discharged a lot of firearms and ordnance
I'm not sure that is the real problem anyway. In some ways it might be better if all the violence WAS realistic. The detachment from reality seems just as much an issue to me. It makes me think of interviews I saw with soldiers who had imagined the conflict would somehow be similar to a video game and were shocked and horrified when they began to witness the reality.
I am all for technology but kids need to experience the real world too, especially at young and formative ages. (No I don't mean send them into war.)
Indeed - war is a terrible thing that should never occur. If only people could live and let live, but it appears that just doesn't happen for a multitude of incredibly stupid "reasons"
SlackR
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I have never seen an ultra realistic gunshot in any game, ever. And I've played a lot of games, and discharged a lot of firearms and ordnance
In fact I'm going to the range this afternoon with this:
http://s16.postimg.org/4b1io1b2d/IMG_0178.jpg
Lol
I defer to the professional but blood and guts and sound effects in VR is a worry of mine.
Hardly a professional - I've never served in any military, but round here even your neighbours dog owns a firearm
Mostly because your neighbours dog owns a firearm
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Does he understand that his game does what he said he was afraid VR might do, with or without using VR? If he doesn't want people to sit down and play a game, and instead go outside, maybe he shouldn't be involved in game development. Or, he could create less grindy games.
Of course, there'll be concern. There is concern for EVERYTHING. Technology will progress as it will based on consumer demand, scientific advance, society, etc.
In the future, something else will come about where people
will say the same cautionary tales. It always happens. I'm not saying these discussions shouldn't happen, but it sure gets tiring hearing these statements over and over again.
It does concern me that Braben would say that considering the continuing issues with the rift in ED. Almost like they are tiptoeing progress for VR in elite.
Of course, there'll be concern. There is concern for EVERYTHING. Technology will progress as it will based on consumer demand, scientific advance, society, etc.
In the future, something else will come about where people
will say the same cautionary tales. It always happens. I'm not saying these discussions shouldn't happen, but it sure gets tiring hearing these statements over and over again.
It does concern me that Braben would say that considering the continuing issues with the rift in ED. Almost like they are tiptoeing progress for VR in elite.
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You're in a tiny minority. Just look at the popularity of those AAA games containing all that gore you're so worried about.
SlackR
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I completely agree and THATS what worries me. Many games that kids are playing these days contain a level of violence that has gone too far IMO and yet its considered perfectly normal. I guess im just old, but I do worry what the added realism VR brings to the table will unleash.
I remember the first splinter cell... Graphics just about good enough to enjoy sneaking up behind someone and killing em! Or shooting them from distance. The last one I tried involved smashing a guys head against a sink until his brain exploded! Lol
Anyway im getting side tracked!
Short version... VR will change the world ... The good and the bad no doubt. I am an old f£rt!
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This quote by President Hudson seems relevant:
"Our youth has become flabby. Lying inanimate, plugged in to their sims hour after hour, day after day, living in dream worlds that never have existed and never will exist. They need to take part in the real world, and so we will be creating programs to allow them to do just that. Programmes that will excite them, engage them, train them. We will fund these programmes in full, the first of which will be announced to Congress on Tuesday 16th."
"Our youth has become flabby. Lying inanimate, plugged in to their sims hour after hour, day after day, living in dream worlds that never have existed and never will exist. They need to take part in the real world, and so we will be creating programs to allow them to do just that. Programmes that will excite them, engage them, train them. We will fund these programmes in full, the first of which will be announced to Congress on Tuesday 16th."
Indeed - war is a terrible thing that should never occur. If only people could live and let live, but it appears that just doesn't happen for a multitude of incredibly stupid "reasons"
That can all be summed up with one word: greed.
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I completely agree and THATS what worries me. Many games that kids are playing these days contain a level of violence that has gone too far IMO and yet its considered perfectly normal. I guess im just old, but I do worry what the added realism VR brings to the table will unleash.
I remember the first splinter cell... Graphics just about good enough to enjoy sneaking up behind someone and killing em! Or shooting them from distance. The last one I tried involved smashing a guys head against a sink until his brain exploded! Lol
Anyway im getting side tracked!
Short version... VR will change the world ... The good and the bad no doubt. I am an old f£rt!
Not to old, I'm still quite young and agree the violence in some games is a tad excessive and I would not encourage the younger audience to play those games.
The problem as I see it is - that most games with the "excessive violence" tag are simply just awful games - with no real violence, and much hype. Look at Hatred for an example - not only is it an incredibly rubbish game - it has awfully "bad" violence in that although the premise of the game is to be a pew-pew innocent and police-killer - it's outright awful. Alien: Isolation has better executions.
Manhunt and Postal 1&2 are oft-cited games, but really, who can honestly be offended at the idea of killing off innocents with exploding diseased cow-heads? In the UK they were deliberately feeding them to people
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I wonder if what DB was more driving at in his comments is how the sheer immersion that VR gives you might overwhelm children creating an addiction through the amount of hours regularly put in, which might create distance in their personal day to day lives. But as the author of the article adds right at the end of the article, its a bit late! Nothing will stop this juggernaut from happening now.
And it looks like the younger generation are going to embrace this new tech... here's an interesting article posted in roadtoVR recently about a poll done on children and how they see the rise of VR. They're pretty open minded about what content they would like to see, it's not at all geared towards fps's!
http://www.roadtovr.com/research-survey-suggests-kids-equally-aware-major-vr-headsets-want-buy-one-console-prices/
And it looks like the younger generation are going to embrace this new tech... here's an interesting article posted in roadtoVR recently about a poll done on children and how they see the rise of VR. They're pretty open minded about what content they would like to see, it's not at all geared towards fps's!
http://www.roadtovr.com/research-survey-suggests-kids-equally-aware-major-vr-headsets-want-buy-one-console-prices/
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