Seems like Putin wants a piece of your election.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-g...a5f8&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-g...a5f8&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
General / Off-Topic Dear Germans...
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The Russia is at war against the west and the economic sanctions
We did have some pretty heavy technical issues with the Deutsche Telekom infrastructure during the last week. Hundreds of thousands of routers affected.
By all they could find out not just some silly ddos prank, but large scale probing.
Was solved within two days, but they definitely need to increase security and awareness on all levels and get better response times for critical infrastructure.
Things we need to watch out for in the election are those parties around the 5% margin, like the liberals. Them losing seats by not passing the 5% and the near-communist lefties gaining them might mean a rather uncomfortable change in power.
By all they could find out not just some silly ddos prank, but large scale probing.
Was solved within two days, but they definitely need to increase security and awareness on all levels and get better response times for critical infrastructure.
Things we need to watch out for in the election are those parties around the 5% margin, like the liberals. Them losing seats by not passing the 5% and the near-communist lefties gaining them might mean a rather uncomfortable change in power.
Oh look, another "blame Russia" media story. *yawn*
To put it in Putins Words.
*Shuckles* "Oh please. Of course nobody has any agencies to spy out and sabotage others. We all know this Game works right"
The Major Powers have been Spying on each other for a whole Century and its become more and more efficient just like anything else.
It was Hilarious anyways.
When it was Leaked that the USA were Spying Big Deal on its Allies like Germany. Everyone was soooo Shocked. I mean who had ever tought they are Spying on us *gg*
Even Obama was Shocked. He always tought the Dossier he got about Merkel was an early Christmas Card. After all Germans dont know how Christmas works *gg*
Then the Chief of Intelligence in the USA got Replaced. And the Intelligence was annoyed with the Germany and Cut them off from Military Intelligence Support.
Short time later it came out that the BND had Helped the USA in Spying around Germany and Europe. OH Again everyone Shocked.
A tiny bit later again. They found out. Oh well. BND did not do this for Free. They received Spying Software and apparently also some access to Spy in the USA.
And Suddenly all the Rumbling in the Intelligence Sector of the USA as well as Germany being cut off from Military Intelligence by the USA made a tad more Sense.
An Agent within the Government Ranks later you can assume that both Intelligence Agencies got a good Talking to.
Not about not Spying Friends or something.
But about making Deals with the Contrahent which allow them Access into the Country for Spying when any Child knows that its never going to Stay within the set Limits anyways *gg*
So Calm down Guys.
Russia Spying and Sabotaging is neither New nor an Surprise.
Its just that they Increased the Budget for Intelligence and Virtual Defense lately and thus need to talk about it a bit louder to Justify the Budget
conspiracy theory akin to the Jews, It's the Russians this time!!
You heard about the BND-NSA (US intelligence teaming up with German intelligence) inquiry or not? "Active measures", BUDDY!
Hmmm, the next time I get a Tim Hortons breakfast and they forget to put something on it, i'm going to blame the Russian Federation. [haha]
Hmmm, the next time I get a Tim Hortons breakfast and they forget to put something on it, i'm going to blame the Russian Federation. [haha]
Putin is afraid of a new Operation Barbarossa with the new German power
http://m.heise.de/newsticker/meldun...iche-Maengel-und-Rechtsbruch-auf-2866243.html
A year ago?
And this is a German technology magazine, nothing political. (Why would a technology mag write articles about that? Because it's read by IT professionals and data protection and privacy are an increasingly important topic in corporate and government .. ah, never mind, just go and outsource those jobs to offshore, because local IT adds no value -_- )
And unlike 17 benghazi investigations, our special investigations usually come up with something, because we're not a two party system and there's more interest than just keeping the status quo?
If you want to find Germany's dirty laundry, look at die linke im bundestag .. They love being the enfant terrible (it's also the only thing they're good at).
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It's a tool put in place to avoid a political situation like we had at the Weimar Republic, where the government was so fractured, no stable government could be formed.. until some short, Austrian strongman blackmailed the establishment to put him in power (and they thought they could control him).
It was said here somewhere that the people don't care who's the ruling party, as long as they have a good life. We had a 90% participation in elections until merkel came to power, then it dropped to 70% over time, because people got complacent.
We had several "protest parties" sweep that 5% barrier, including the green party, communists, the pirate party and now the righties.
They are not fit to govern (if you think that a party with about 1 or 2 points on their agenda and utter cluelesness on anything else should govern, try president trump usa
), but here comes the importance of the opposition - they can challenge the status quo constantly using political tools from the inside. A big coalition as we have now is actually the least optimal situation, since they have too much power between them and still don't get much done.All that stuff is available for public access at one point in time. If government is trying to hide it, they get sued in supreme court by the lefties (as with those "secret target lists") and they lose. Supreme court is not two party political like in the US, either. We have several chambers and the internal one has judges nominated by 4 parties and they all take their commitment to the basic law kinda seriously.
It's far from a perfect system, especially if you have too much politiestablishment running the show. But it's quite ok for the politically interested citizen.
And now look at Russia .. look .. look .. And you're snowblind (i can tell you how Russia works from a corporate level .. I've done projects there .. it's unauditable and unaccountable.. did you read my slightly sarcastic comment about "confidentiality level: fishy" .. well, yea) .
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The thresholds make it harder for new parties to emerge, and for people to find a party that represents them. I understand the appeal, but IMO they are not a good idea. Before thr current idiocy Finland has managed pretty well, and this problem wasn't caused by having too many parties (but by clueless populists winning big, and ending up as yes men in a nasty Troika.
Its been happening for a while now. It makes sense, and if I were Putin I'd do the same. If there is a weakness in the opposing side's system you exploit it as good as you can. The only weird thing here is hardcore right-wing Americans becoming Putin-lovers overnight. But as usual, consistency, reality and facts are no match for deluded fantasies. All Hail Trump, the Sinless One who will deliver His People to Greatness stolen by the Elite Space Lizzards!
You know, you could try to find some info beyond South Park. I am not expert, but I have been told South Park may not be the ultimate news source on this planet. I have to warn you though, some of those sources have more words than pictures!
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Same here. We;ve had some peculiar parties emerging the past decade, but pretty much all of them (including our alt-right PVV) have had at least some decent ideas that challenged the major parties . Its sometimes irritating to see complete idiots run around screaming incoherently, but its a relatively small price to pay to prevent the major parties from becoming lazy.
You know, you could try to find some info beyond South Park. I am not expert, but I have been told South Park may not be the ultimate news source on this planet. I have to warn you though, some of those sources have more words than pictures!
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It's a tool put in place to avoid a political situation like we had at the Weimar Republic, where the government was so fractured, no stable government could be formed.. until some short, Austrian strongman blackmailed the establishment to put him in power (and they thought they could control him).
It was said here somewhere that the people don't care who's the ruling party, as long as they have a good life. We had a 90% participation in elections until merkel came to power, then it dropped to 70% over time, because people got complacent.
We had several "protest parties" sweep that 5% barrier, including the green party, communists, the pirate party and now the righties.
They are not fit to govern (if you think that a party with about 1 or 2 points on their agenda and utter cluelesness on anything else should govern, try president trump usa
All that stuff is available for public access at one point in time. If government is trying to hide it, they get sued in supreme court by the lefties (as with those "secret target lists") and they lose. Supreme court is not two party political like in the US, either. We have several chambers and the internal one has judges nominated by 4 parties and they all take their commitment to the basic law kinda seriously.
It's far from a perfect system, especially if you have too much politiestablishment running the show. But it's quite ok for the politically interested citizen.
And now look at Russia .. look .. look .. And you're snowblind (i can tell you how Russia works from a corporate level .. I've done projects there .. it's unauditable and unaccountable.. did you read my slightly sarcastic comment about "confidentiality level: fishy" .. well, yea) .
Same here. We;ve had some peculiar parties emerging the past decade, but pretty much all of them (including our alt-right PVV) have had at least some decent ideas that challenged the major parties . Its sometimes irritating to see complete idiots run around screaming incoherently, but its a relatively small price to pay to prevent the major parties from becoming lazy.
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What's the supposed story here? Russia unduly influenced people? How is that different from Breitbart or Fox News unduly influencing people?
The reason for Trump is people voting for him. For that you have to look at the people who voted. That's where the blame begins and ends.
The reason for Trump is people voting for him. For that you have to look at the people who voted. That's where the blame begins and ends.
Well, the difference is that Russia at some points hacked into computers, which is a crime. So criminal liars versus deranged liars.
Aye.
As I said.
This Game has been Played by all Sides for Decades even for Centuries.
Its Funny that we now suddenly see it coming up in the News ^^
We have dozens of parties and even independents.
Many of the more radical parties -like the animal rights party- act more trough activism than trough holding office.
Some of them are very strong on a regional or local level. Doesn't mean the beer party needs to be represented on federal level.
And the first way to get into the bundestag is by direct mandate - like the Senate in the US but with half a dozen of 'serious' contestants. The non direct mandates are split to the parties trough the 2nd voice census.
If you want to get into German government, you can run by yourself. Find supporters, get your direct mandate, you're in. But you won't do all too much.. for good or bad. High level politics is about the consent of the majority.
The issue with politics is not politics as such .. not even with Russia. It's the trolling and attentionhording on the rise.
Excellent point. The western world knows most of all how to interfere in other sovereign nations' regime changes. Most notable examples include: Iranian's president circa 1950s to install the Shah, both the installation and removal of Saddam Hussein, Afghanistan and Taliban, Ukraine's president Viktor Yanukovych, Libya and Gadaffi, and currently working to get rid of Syria's Assad for the western-owned, Arab-led ISIS terrorist coalition to have more reign. (So not only can Russia or any other eastern nation claim it's a self-defense move, but to be quite frank, from a logical standpoint these countries should be allow to decide have an input as to how western governments operate for a change since they've been victims of it for decades longer and any remote change in western leadership will continue to affect them.)
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Why do you start 1950 and not 1945, when a sovereign Germany who was just "defending itself from polish aggression by shooting back" was razed literally to the ground?
Them poor Germans.
Oh, and if you're a great country and not just some banana republic dictatorship with more dirty laundry than your landfills can cope with .. why silence opposition and free press instead of making them part of your system?
Them poor Germans.
Oh, and if you're a great country and not just some banana republic dictatorship with more dirty laundry than your landfills can cope with .. why silence opposition and free press instead of making them part of your system?
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I dont get many of these responses at all. Yes, this has been going on since forever. Yes, 'we' have been doing it as well. But no, no sane nation would just ignore it for those reasons. Is that really something that needs to be explained?