Newcomer / Intro Deep space scans

[Thwarptide]

I'm out of the bubble by 3k ly now, taking the colonia connection hwy. I had to plot a course correction (simple enough) to avoid Acocks Pocket which I was head straight for. I'm sure many risk going through it, but being noobish on my first "star trek" I'm not much of a risk taker yet. Altering course above the pocket though, well I'm starting to encounter places where "I Think" not many have taken the time to look closer at systems.... OR I'm on another learning experience.
When I jump into a system and Honk, I'll check the system map for water world's etc. One such system, I honked, 24 orbital planes detected. But when I check out the system map, nothing but the host star. So I FSS scan the entire thing till I aquire 100%. Move on to the next system. The next system gets honked and the map reveals all and who discovered em.
I'm on ps4, but I haven't seen any notifications that I've been the first person to a system.
Am I actually the first person to FSS scan a system or is it more of a "The data in the ship isn't up to date"?
So what's really going on?

 

[AngryAntz]

If you honk in a system and get (using your example) 24 bodies, but only the suns and a couple of planets turn up in your system map, it means you are in an undiscovered system. Use the FSS to discover the planets and when you hand in the data you will get first discovery credit for those planets.

 

[Thwarptide]

No kidding?
Dang, I'm on my way to being special already
BTW only the main stars are showing up.
Thx for chiming in Cmdr 07

 

[AngryAntz]

Usually it is just suns, but if planets/bodies are close enough they will get passively scanned as well when you first enter the system. You can then decide if you want to be the first person to map them as well, I usually only map ELW and water worlds, because I am a lazy explorer

You may also get times where you honk and get told 10 bodies, but only 8 show up in your map, this means that 2 planets have not been discovered by another cmdr and if you FSS them you will get discovery credit for those 2 bodies.

Hope my explanation hasn't confused the heck out of you

Have fun out there.

 

[[VR] Orodruin]

You may also get times where you honk and get told 10 bodies, but only 8 show up in your map, this means that 2 planets have not been discovered by another cmdr and if you FSS them you will get discovery credit for those 2 bodies.

Also worth pointing out that there are instances where this happens when there are suspicious "holes" and missing planets in the system map. My best guess for those is that they were left by people who had those planets obscured by the main star when doing the FSS and did not bother to fly to a different position and reengage the FSS for a teeny tiny icy world. If we are being honest, I have left a few of those holes myself ...

I recently discovered an undiscovered earthlike in a discovered system so those also exist. It was at the B star though and I had to supercruise 400kls+ to map it.

 

[metatheurgist]

The last time they revealed the info, 0.042% of the galaxy had been explored. So, yeah, odds are you will find something no-one else has found.

 

[Thwarptide]

Sheesh , at this rate it's going to take years to get to colonia. I'm not exactly taking the beaten path. More like top of it in the direction of the next station. Like I said, most travelers are roughing it through Adocks Pocket. I'm not. Obviously it is having much benefit. I've already got 23 discoveries under my belt and probably around ten that other Cmdrs partially completed. I'm sure they didn't want to bother with all of 42 FSS scans. I'll finish em and get paid for doing it. Most of em get less than 10% done. I haven't seen any WWs or ELWs. If I do I don't think I'll bother mapping em.

My next stretch is 28 jumps, then I'll turn south and head to the stn in the Lagoon Nebula. Maybe hang out for a few days and explore the region. But the way it's been going, I'm fairly confident that most of systems on the way there will have my name in the credits. No doubt I'm making good credits (very good credits). I was kind of hoping to to get to colonia in 10 days or there abouts. Now I'm thinking.... "what's the rush?" Who knows, maybe I'll find where Elvis went to.

 

[Dommarraa]

Sheesh , at this rate it's going to take years to get to colonia. I'm not exactly taking the beaten path. More like top of it in the direction of the next station. Like I said, most travelers are roughing it through Adocks Pocket. I'm not. Obviously it is having much benefit. I've already got 23 discoveries under my belt and probably around ten that other Cmdrs partially completed. I'm sure they didn't want to bother with all of 42 FSS scans. I'll finish em and get paid for doing it. Most of em get less than 10% done. I haven't seen any WWs or ELWs. If I do I don't think I'll bother mapping em.

My next stretch is 28 jumps, then I'll turn south and head to the stn in the Lagoon Nebula. Maybe hang out for a few days and explore the region. But the way it's been going, I'm fairly confident that most of systems on the way there will have my name in the credits. No doubt I'm making good credits (very good credits). I was kind of hoping to to get to colonia in 10 days or there abouts. Now I'm thinking.... "what's the rush?" Who knows, maybe I'll find where Elvis went to.

"Roughig it" ? Ha - You whippersnappers have no idea

 

[aRJay]

Keep in mind that your discoveries are where the data hasn’t been sold yet, if there is someone else who has discovered them and sells the data before you they will get all the fame and first discoverer bonuses, this is why it could be a good idea not to say where you found that system with 10 Earth like worlds and other high value discoveries until you have sold your data or someone might race there and back to try and steal your prize.

You do know that the pressure on you is going to mount now you are making first discoveries as one ship loss before you sell the data and they will all be lost.

 

[Thwarptide]

You do know that the pressure on you is going to mount now you are making first discoveries as one ship loss before you sell the data and they will all be lost.

Yes, I considered this last night just before I logged off. I'm some 980lys from the next stn and I was planning on going the scenic route getting there. Think I'll divert directly to the stn and back track from there.
07

 

[heman86]

I'm out of the bubble by 3k ly now, taking the colonia connection hwy. I had to plot a course correction (simple enough) to avoid Acocks Pocket which I was head straight for. I'm sure many risk going through it, but being noobish on my first "star trek" I'm not much of a risk taker yet. Altering course above the pocket though, well I'm starting to encounter places where "I Think" not many have taken the time to look closer at systems.... OR I'm on another learning experience.
When I jump into a system and Honk, I'll check the system map for water world's etc. One such system, I honked, 24 orbital planes detected. But when I check out the system map, nothing but the host star. So I FSS scan the entire thing till I aquire 100%. Move on to the next system. The next system gets honked and the map reveals all and who discovered em.
I'm on ps4, but I haven't seen any notifications that I've been the first person to a system.
Am I actually the first person to FSS scan a system or is it more of a "The data in the ship isn't up to date"?
So what's really going on?

whats acocks pocket and why do you want to avoid it?

 

[Thwarptide]

If you're traveling the Colonia Connection Highway (a series of stations set up in succession by the Colonia council for the 22,000 ly trek to colonia) you have to cross the gap (pocket)

The inter-arm gap between the Orion Spur and the Sagittarius arm, roughly 2.000 LY wide.

Inexperienced explorers, setting out from inhabited space and straight across the Gap towards the Lagoon Nebula, should take care to avoid the Aucocks Pocket near the southern edge of the Gap. This is a band of Brown Dwarf and T-Tauri sectors on the near edge of the Sagittarius Gap, approx. 2,000 - 2,500 LYs from Sol. Commanders are advised to plot a route at least 100 LYs above or below the galactic plane when approaching the Sagittarius Gap as this is usually sufficient to avoid the Aucoks Pocket.

There's not a lot of stars in the gap and not many are fuel stars. You can make it directly through it with careful planning. It seems fine for that if you're a bit more experienced. Since this is my first deep space trek, I chose the side of caution.

EDSM - Elite Dangerous Star Map

The Galactic Positioning System of Elite: Dangerous at your service.

www.edsm.net

 

[heman86]

if you have a ship with a good jumprange (40ly+) couldnt you just exclude tauri and brown dwarfs and get through it?

 

[Thwarptide]

Sure you can. My aspX gets 43ly range.
But here's the thing, if you set up a route of 1000lys and put map settings at "fastest route" (I do) not every jump will be a fuel star if there are none within the ships current jump range ability.

When I first new I was approaching the gap, I pre-checked the next 1000ly leg in the route. There was a stretch of the last 8 of 9 jumps that were not fuel stars. The last one was. That's the sign you're jumping into the gap.
The route planner will always try to plan a route with mostly fuel stars. But as I said, if there's not a fuel jump within the ships jump range it will select a non fuel star.

If you're in the bubble, it happens there too.

 

[heman86]

shouldnt it give you an error instead of just choosing a non fuel star when you have excluded them in the settings?
i mean the option to exclude stars would be useless if it did that.

 

[Thwarptide]

Nope, because it's not an error.
The cpu has chosen the fastest and most efficient route given the available stars. Several (or more) are definitely not going to be fuel stars. So always examine each stop on a route before you commit to it. I just completed a 980ly stretch. 27 jumps. I didn't check the last 3 because the way I scoop stars, it's pointless to consider the stars in the last 3 jumps.
The 2nd to the last was a type-T. So all but 1 star were fuel stars.

Its not an error.

A fuel efficient route would have likely be well over 100 jumps and I probably would not have had to fuel scoop.

 

[[VR] Orodruin]

Nope, because it's not an error.

Yes, it should give an error. If you take other filters such as system state, this will not happen. Just the day before yesterday I failed miserably to plot a route from the bubble to Electra until I realised I has a system state filter on that excluded ”none”. Plotting worked as a charm after clearing the filter.

 

[Thwarptide]

If you take other filters such as system state, this will not happen. Just the day before yesterday I failed miserably to plot a route from the bubble to Electra until I realised I has a system state filter on that excluded ”none”. Plotting worked as a charm after clearing the filter.

Since I'm on ps4, I might not get such an error notification.
I did double check the filter and behold it was like you said. Cleared it..... Plotting was "a charm". I don't think I'll have to spend the xtra time double checking way points now. Thank you. I anticipate the next stretch of 1,300lys to go smoother. Since I didn't have any big issues crossing the gap anyway, I stopped by a stn on the other side, sold off 3mil credits of cartography data, went another 1500 lys to the next stn. Took 4 dern hrs due to the fact that 8 out of 10 systems had not been discovered or there was nothing to discover, so I was bogged down doing FSS scans a lot. Man I hate systems with 40+ objects. They pay alright but it's time consuming.
Saw a strange thing after crossing the gap and started going west.... as I jumped and jumped a huge cluster of stars that looked like real life Pleiades gradually get bigger and bigger. The sky crossing the gap was pretty dark. But as it got closer and the skys began to fill with stars, I realized I was moving into the spiral arm full of stars. Pretty cool!