Define: Combat Log
- Thread starter lilikin
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It's when you log in combat, plain and simple.
Your definition is not plain and simple, but so vague as to be useless.
In my opinion, quitting the game 'properly' (i.e. escape, exit and save) must be an available option at all times, and does not constitute combat logging. If you think it is unfair, then complain to FD that the time is not long enough. FWIW, I think 15 seconds is wrong. I think it should take as long as it would take to spool up and jump, including any mass locking. Unfortunately FD have it such that you can high wake away even when you are mass locked. That is daft.
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in terms of people being accused of being a cheat, it is when you log out in a mode not officially condoned by the game... so if you do it cleanly that is not combat logging imo.
for the record, if ever i am in open and am not in the mood to play ball with a human CMDR I wont be combat logging, but i will be immediately picking a system, and hyperspacing to it,
Regardless of whether anyone likes this behaviour or not, it is in lore, it is acceptable, it is condoned by the devs, and only an idiot would NOT do it if they do not want to fight or give up cargo.
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Using the menu option to "Exit" the game is fine according to FDev, and not considered "Combat logging".
That's what the 15sec combat timer is for, just like you have in every other MMO.
I never said anything about fair/unfair. You log in combat ("properly" or not), you are combat logging.
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NOT according to the devs, and personally I choose to go by their definition, and NOT the definition of the person trying to blow me up or otherwise interfere with me!.
Going by the people who complain about it, it seems to mean anything which deprives the griefer of their jollies.
This can be:
Quitting the game just before they destroy you.
Losing your connection just before they destroy you.
Intentionally pulling your ethernet connection just before they destroy you.
Logging out just before they destroy you.
Hypering out just before they destroy you.
Destroying them just before they destroy you.
All of which are clearly unfair, and ruin the game for everybody.
This can be:
Quitting the game just before they destroy you.
Losing your connection just before they destroy you.
Intentionally pulling your ethernet connection just before they destroy you.
Logging out just before they destroy you.
Hypering out just before they destroy you.
Destroying them just before they destroy you.
All of which are clearly unfair, and ruin the game for everybody.
It's still combat logging, though, wether the devs tolerate it or not. Depending on the circumstances the other player might not even be able to tell the difference anyway, so for him it's a case of combat logging either way. It's especially troublesome for players trying to play the pirate role, because their victim can chose to start the logout timer instead of going through the panel to drop his cargo, while the pirate is waiting. Activating the logout-timer should at least be visible in some way, so the pirate knows, he has 15 seconds from now on, to destroy the combat logger.
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(This is probably the point where the thread, and the argument, go off into never-never land)
Unfair is subjective, and "ruin the game for everybody" is untrue.
Not everyone wants to be in a game where they can be randomly attacked and destroyed, even if not in a combat vessel or in any way equipped for it. Some might say "that's how it is, if you don't like it don't play ED" - to which I reply "well, the 15 second logout is also part of it, if you don't like it don't play ED".
Just like life, everyone wants rules that benefits themselves over others.
Someone could test this, I think (and that is normally pretty hard for me) that once you are at the log off menu you can't go back into the game? So anyone typing a fraction of a second before they vanish may not be logging out using game mechanics?
Terminating the client mid-combat (to avoid damage/cost) is something FD have said is not okay. See above quote.
Waiting 15 seconds for an "orderly log out" mid-combat (to avoid damage/cost) is generally regarded as a jerk move... but that's as far as it goes.
Waiting 15 seconds for an "orderly log out" mid-combat (to avoid damage/cost) is generally regarded as a jerk move... but that's as far as it goes.
Combat logging is wrong and requires the disconnection of the Internet, that is in no way shape or form the official way. It doesn't give the server the info needed.
logging out correctly (15 second countdown etc) is the official route and let's face it, if you're under attack, you're probably dead by the time that 15 seconds is up.
logging out correctly (15 second countdown etc) is the official route and let's face it, if you're under attack, you're probably dead by the time that 15 seconds is up.
What if my PC crashes?
What if the Game crashes?
What if the power goes out?
What if I'm just so angry about being interdicted again that I just turn off the PC in anger due to griefers ruining the game in open play?
If anyone wanted to combat log and it gets reported then any of the above counter anything FD could do as a punishment. At no point did I or any of you agree to any kind of shadow ban if our connection suddenly drops, and if FD want to claim otherwise then they will have made a big boo boo. ALT+F4 is an OS function, I and Microsoft do not allow third party software to interfere with it. When I start up any software I have the implicit right to stop it as and when I choose. Not when some software company tells me I can.
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It is when you are losing a battle with npc or player you pull the cable from your router to avoid the insurance screen. Low ball tactic.
They probably don't take action on single incidents. Everybody can suffer from a sudden crash in the wrong moment.
But if your "PC crahes" every single time shortly before you are destroyed, it becomes obvious you are doing it on purpose.
Btw FD considering logoffski against NPC as harmful as logoffski against player and banning for it.
ED is definitely not competitive game!