DeLacy, Lakon and the Alliance - how are they connected?

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

Since the announcement of the new Alliance ships and the Alliance-Lakon cooperation to build those Alliance ship I'm wondering how Lakon, DeLacy and the Alliance are connected.

Before that announcement I always thought that DeLacy is the Alliance ship manufacturer. I thought that Cobra, Python and Anaconda are the quintessential Alliance ships.
For all I know DeLacy is based in the old worlds cluster.

Now Lakon is building the ships for the Alliance Navy. What happened? What did I miss.

I haven't found any information about the origin of Lakon. No information about their home system and their alignments to superpowers.
If I remember correctly the Diamondback ships where intended to be Hudson/Federation ships, but shortly after PP this got changed to FDS.
The introduction of the Diamondback ships happened in Wolf 406 - an Alliance system.

I really hope that FD would start to give us more lore related information about the various manufacturers.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

Since the announcement of the new Alliance ships and the Alliance-Lakon cooperation to build those Alliance ship I'm wondering how Lakon, DeLacy and the Alliance are connected.

Before that announcement I always thought that DeLacy is the Alliance ship manufacturer. I thought that Cobra, Python and Anaconda are the quintessential Alliance ships.
For all I know DeLacy is based in the old worlds cluster.

Now Lakon is building the ships for the Alliance Navy. What happened? What did I miss.

I haven't found any information about the origin of Lakon. No information about their home system and their alignments to superpowers.
If I remember correctly the Diamondback ships where intended to be Hudson/Federation ships, but shortly after PP this got changed to FDS.
The introduction of the Diamondback ships happened in Wolf 406 - an Alliance system.

I really hope that FD would start to give us more lore related information about the various manufacturers.

DeLacy ships are long-time successful ships. As such wouldn't they rather be Fed suppliers than stock suppliers for upstart secessionists? It doesn't matter. DeLacy holds the licences and rights to the most successful ship designs and there is demand for ships everywhere. I imagine that the manufacturers only produce a fraction of ship output, the rest is given away under licence where shipyards would produce the big manufacturer's designs for local demand.

 

[Vasious]

Remember that Delacey is much older than the Alliance so, its HQ being in an Alliance world isn't a connection to the Alliance.
They would have had ships in shipyards all across human space by the time of the Foundation of the Alliance.

Lakon I don't know much about.
They were connected with the Alliance in a previous CG

the Alliance Contracted Lakon before for Diamondbacks,

But So did the Federation in the War on Onionhead

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

DeLacy ships are long-time successful ships. As such wouldn't they rather be Fed suppliers than stock suppliers for upstart secessionists? It doesn't matter. DeLacy holds the licences and rights to the most successful ship designs and there is demand for ships everywhere.…

Interesting point of view.
Always thought that because DeLacy are based in alliance territory they would be "Alliance". It just seems logical (to me) that a manufacturer based in the Lave cluster would supply ships for the Alliance Navy. That they have been around since before the Alliance could give DeLacy a lot of independence.
(At this point I need more information about the political structure of mega-corporations - some are like independent nations, others seem to be part of superpowers.)

But Lakon is an old corporation too. If I'm not mistaken the Asp is an old design predating the Alliance.

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

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Lakon I don't know much about.
They were connected with the Alliance in a previous CG

the Alliance Contracted Lakon before for Diamondbacks,

But So did the Federation in the War on Onionhead

That's the problem I always had with the Diamondbacks - they where, for a short period of time, discounted at Hudson control systems (or should have been). FD changed that to FDS after a short period of time.
The CG was the introduction of the Diamondbacks without any (official) explanation why a ship used by Hudson's power is build in an Alliance system.

I guess FD is using ship manufacturers as needed and without little thought about lore, but it would be nice to have lore explanations and more background informations (official information not dreamed up player group fantasies).

(BTW: I still think that the concept art for the Diamondback looks so much better than the final result)

 

[Vasious]

I am not sure if the Asp was a Lakon original
The Transporter was noted a Lakon Spaceways and that could be the Type 6 now or the Type 6 a successor, and that woud make Lakon older still


I note Lakon DBS are also favoured by the Black Flight ships out in the Pleiades

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

Interesting point of view.
Always thought that because DeLacy are based in alliance territory they would be "Alliance". It just seems logical (to me) that a manufacturer based in the Lave cluster would supply ships for the Alliance Navy. That they have been around since before the Alliance could give DeLacy a lot of independence.
(At this point I need more information about the political structure of mega-corporations - some are like independent nations, others seem to be part of superpowers.)

But Lakon is an old corporation too. If I'm not mistaken the Asp is an old design predating the Alliance.

I roleplay a DeLacy dynasty member. Nothing too fancy. About #335 in the line of succession to chairman of the board. However, still holding a stake in the company and deeply dedicated to the design philosophy and performance of Faulcon DeLacy ships. Only flying other manufacturers to judge their performance in comparison and demand improvements where due at the annual general meeting.
I imagine it's a public company still mainly held by DeLacy dynasty members. Probably a lot of backstabbing and intrigues around the top.

Not official info - but it's as good as it can get, because it's kinda insider info.

 

[Apos]

A common interest relationship has to start somewhere. The expectation that you need to have previous relations to cultivate current relations is a never ending cycle without a way out.

Maybe Lakon was just really satisfied with our Wolf 406 partnership they decided to trust the Alliance as a whole. [hehe]

But in the end of the day, it's really simple, the Alliance wants to build its own ships, it offers contracts. Corporations fill requests to secure those contracts. Best offer wins.

Seems like Lakon had the best offer.

 

[InlineSix]

Since the announcement of the new Alliance ships and the Alliance-Lakon cooperation to build those Alliance ship I'm wondering how Lakon, DeLacy and the Alliance are connected.

Military Industrial Complex. In space. I knew it!

PS: I second your demand for an FSD'd Condor.

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

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But in the end of the day, it's really simple, the Alliance wants to build its own ships, it offers contracts. Corporations fill requests to secure those contracts. Best offer wins.

Seems like Lakon had the best offer.

That's the part I'm curious about. How independent are those spaceship manufacturers and why are superpowers willing to buy from external sources?

For example: I can't imagine Lockheed Martin designing and building planes for Russia. And I wouldn't expect the US government allowing such a deal.

Maybe my view of the manufacturers is completely wrong and they are indeed independent organizations without being controlled by any superpower.

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

Military Industrial Complex. In space. I knew it!
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I like that point of view. The corporations controlling the superpowers not the superpowers controlling the corporations.

Ship manufacturers having agreements between each other who is allowed to sell their ships to the different superpowers.

 

[Apos]

That's the part I'm curious about. How independent are those spaceship manufacturers and why are superpowers willing to buy from external sources?

For example: I can't imagine Lockheed Martin designing and building planes for Russia. And I wouldn't expect the US government allowing such a deal.

Maybe my view of the manufacturers is completely wrong and they are indeed independent organizations without being controlled by any superpower.

They probably are in the current year.

The Federation is really old and has been imposing a very corrupted form of capitalism for hundreds of years. It's a natural outcome within that system for corporations to eventually reach a status beyond the grasp of the government.

I mean, look no further than Sirius Corp. And their HQ is right next to the Federation's Capital no less.

Except Core Dynamics of course, since Hudson is the major shareholder.

 

[DukeIronHand]

But in the end of the day, it's really simple, the Alliance wants to build its own ships, it offers contracts. Corporations fill requests to secure those contracts. Best offer wins.

Seems like Lakon had the best offer.

Well, as a Lakon slappy, this line of reasoning (somewhat) makes me feel better. Somewhat.
However it was mentioned/hinted at above that the Lakon "homeworld" (Corporate HQ? Main shipyard?) was in Alliance space.
Which system?

 

[Apos]

Well, as a Lakon slappy, this line of reasoning (somewhat) makes me feel better. Somewhat.
However it was mentioned/hinted at above that the Lakon "homeworld" (Corporate HQ? Main shipyard?) was in Alliance space.
Which system?

Faulcon DeLacy HQ, not Lakon.

The HQ of Faulcon DeLacy is based in Reorte.

I don't think we've ever had an insight of Lakon with details like that. Despite them being called very prominent in lore and manufacturing, they kinda just exist.

 

[DukeIronHand]

Faulcon DeLacy HQ, not Lakon.

The HQ of Faulcon DeLacy is based in Reorte.

I don't think we've ever had an insight of Lakon with details like that. Despite them being called very prominent in lore and manufacturing, they kinda just exist.

Ah thank you.
Was going to fly there with my petition (signed by millions) to put the T7 on medium pads. Guess I'll save it for FD.


EDIT: As a voracious reader I do wish we had a solid website with every bit of "official" lore on it for study.

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

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I don't think we've ever had an insight of Lakon with details like that. Despite them being called very prominent in lore and manufacturing, they kinda just exist.

I hope that FD uses "Beyond" to give a little lore love to the ship manufacturers. It would be nice if the various corporations wouldn't just exist.
(And I hope it's not just a bunch of new tourist spots)

 

[Good Death]

I think the Alliance is building its own ships out of Thargoid tech. Those pumpkin type objects and other weird stuff out at the Mahon research facilities. At least I hope that's what's going on.[yesnod]

 

[DNA-Decay]

I think the Alliance is building its own ships out of Thargoid tech. Those pumpkin type objects and other weird stuff out at the Mahon research facilities. At least I hope that's what's going on.[yesnod]

The research out in the California Nebula is definitely dodgy.
But it's not part of the current Palin /INRA projects.

And it doesn't look like shipbuilding.

I think that plot point has been shelved for the time being.

 

[damon8r351]

Lakon being the chosen corporation for their naval build-up is probably explained the same way defense contractors are chosen now: Lakon was probably the lowest bidder. The military sets down their design requirements and sends them to various companies to make a bid for the contract. Whoever can meet or exceed the design requirements and need the least amount of funding to do it gets the contract. Lakon was probably the one.

 

[XanderVekk]

Gutamaya is busy building beautiful ships for the Empire.
Core Dynamics for the Feds.
Faulcon DeLacy ships are made everywhere, as a true multinational someone has to supply pirates.

Lakon had nothing better to do, so they picked up an Alliance contract.