General / Off-Topic Depending on their political stances: Clinton or Trump?

[Becks]

Maybe I'm jumping on a landmine with this one, but it's guaranteed to come up sooner or later and since the Brexit poll was surprisingly accurate (even if non british people voted in it) I'd like to see how the forum votes on this topic.

I've searched a bit around and found a site where the political stances of both candidates were compared in a neutral way.

Political stances of Clinton:

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Individual Rights:

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is a woman's unrestricted right - Strongly Agrees

Legally require hiring women & minorities - Strongly Agrees

Comfortable with same-sex marriage - Strongly Agrees

Keep God in the public sphere - Agrees

EPA(Enviromental Protection Agency) regulations are too restrictive - Strongly Disagrees

Make voter registration easier - Strongly Agrees

Domestic Issues:

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Stricter punishment reduces crime - Disagrees

Absolute right to gun ownership - Strongly Disagrees

Expand ObamaCare - Strongly Agrees

Vouchers for school choice - Strongly Disagrees

Prioritize green energy - Strongly Agrees

Marijuana is a gateway drug - Disagrees

Economic Issues:

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(Government) Stimulus better than market-led recovery - Strongly Agrees

Higher taxes on the wealthy - Strongly Agrees

Pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens - Strongly Agrees

Privatize Social Security - Strongly Disagrees

Defense and International Issues:

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Support & expand free trade - Disagrees

Expand the military - Disagrees

Support American Exceptionalism (Wikipedia entry on Exceptionalism) - Disagrees

Avoid foreign entanglements - Disagrees

Details and references to these political stances are here.


Political stances of Trump:

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Individual Rights:

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is a woman's unrestricted right - Disagrees

Legally require hiring women & minorities - Neutral/No opinion

Comfortable with same-sex marriage - Disagrees

Keep God in the public sphere - Strongly agrees

EPA(Enviromental Protection Agency) regulations are too restrictive - Strongly agrees

Make voter registration easier - Agrees

Domestic Issues:

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Stricter punishment reduces crime - Strongly Agrees

Absolute right to gun ownership - Strongly Agrees

Expand ObamaCare - Disagrees

Vouchers for school choice - Strongly Agrees

Prioritize green energy - Strongly Disagrees

Marijuana is a gateway drug - Disagrees

Economic Issues:

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(Government) Stimulus better than market-led recovery - Strongly Disagrees

Higher taxes on the wealthy - Agrees

Pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens - Strongly Disagrees

Privatize Social Security - Agrees

Defense and International Issues:

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Support & expand free trade - Strongly Disagrees

Expand the military - Agrees

Support American Exceptionalism (Wikipedia entry on Exceptionalism) - Agrees

Avoid foreign entanglements - Agrees

Details and references to these political stances are here.

I intentionally reduced the candidates on their political stances since there are so much bricks flying around regarding the behaviour and scandals during the campaign.

Depending on their political stances, which leader would be better for the United States of America?

Before this thread blows up and gets locked down like a few other threads over the past week, please read and follow the guidelines for political discussion in the OffTopic Forum.

 

[TheAntitheist Crusader]

If i was American i'd go with Clinton, she's not a real lefty, but she's better than Trump. And politically i'm secular (obviously), so no to Trump, and i'm a rarity on the left these days as i'm actually pro military intervention (as well as being a democratic socialist with liberal views), so yes to Clinton in the absence of Bernie.

 

[Adept]

If i was American i'd go with Clinton, she's not a real lefty, but she's better than Trump.

It's too bad they didn't go with Bernie, but he got a lot of his projects on Hillary's agenda. Clinton over the orange disaster any day.

 

[wolferr]

I'm from New York City. I've known the Orange Clown for 30 years.
The GOP has swallowed a poison pill that will tear it apart.
I'm voting for Big H, but I'm a Bernie supporter.
Viva la Revolution!

 

[metatheurgist]

Such a hard choice. First female US President or First Orange Clown US President. Both will set new bars for society.

 

[Arry]

Just look at the tone of the two conventions.

Lord Chump = Fear: Division: Isolationism

Clinton = Hope: Unity: Cooperation

 

[ick]

Just look at the tone of the two conventions.

Lord Chump = Fear: Division: Isolationism

Clinton = Hope: Unity: Cooperation

+1 for non-biased reporting.

Let me correct it a bit to make it a more balanced view.

Clinton: lack of reality: even more out of control spending: ignore everything but her gender

 

[El Dragoon!]

i know who im voting for

 

[ick]

lol. Now that is pretty funny.

Strange he doesn't have an M4. Is that an actual rifle? I don't recognize it.

 

[Arry]

+1 for non-biased reporting.

Let me correct it a bit to make it a more balanced view.

Clinton: lack of reality: even more out of control spending: ignore everything but her gender

You forgot to rep me?

So you are stating that the republicans don't and are not using fear to gain power? You are also stating that they don't promote divisions or wish to isolate America from the rest of the world.

 

[ick]

I was being facetious.

Note that I did not correct your entire post. Only the part that needed tweaking.

I was saying that you seem to be wearing rose colored glasses.

 

[Oddball]

Clinton for sure. As for Trump, well, the guy scares me. The thought of Donald Trump with his finger on the nuclear button
just scares the hell out of me. The guy is crazy that's for sure.

 

[Jaiotu]

I don't see Gary Johnson on the poll which is weird because he's going to be on the ballot in all 50 states. Oh well. He's got my vote.

[video=youtube_share;kQv_6GXVbDw]https://youtu.be/kQv_6GXVbDw[/video]

 

[Adept]

Libertarians, when the Republicans just aren't far enough to the right.

 

[FuzzySpider]

Would you give this man the nuclear football?

 

[Captain Willard]

 

[Jaiotu]

Libertarians, when the Republicans just aren't far enough to the right.

LOL. That's not a good definition of a Libertarian. Libertarians are typically "far right" on economic policies while being "far left" on social issues.

 

[Adept]

LOL. That's not a good definition of a Libertarian. Libertarians are typically "far right" on economic policies while being "far left" on social issues.

Hardly left on social issues. The core tenent is every man for himself. Left on social issues is social security and state supplied health care. You probably meant things like government not telling you who you can marry and what you're allowed to smoke.

As a rule Libertarians are for laissez-faire, small state and minimal government. It is also a school of though which is mainly appealing to young white males

 

[AJW]

Clinton has her flaws, certainly. Trump on the other hand seems to be built entirely from narcissism, bluster, and delusions of competence. I wouldn't elect him as town dog-catcher.

 

[Minonian]

As somebody stated earlier?

Kill both, start the whole thing again. (of course i'm not serious, but i consider them completely useless.)