Newcomer / Intro Detail Surface Scanner

[Hellhawk666]

So....

Basic: finds bodies if you are close (<500 LS). Scans basic data when close enough (varies with body type).
Intermediate: Ping to find bodies upto 1000 LS. Scans basic data when close enough (varies with body type).
Advanced: Ping to find ALL bodies in system. Scans basic data when close enough (varies with body type).

Detailed Disc: If you have one, when you are close enough to scan with a basic/int/adv, it adds data scanned and gives you the extra money and the "detailed surf scan complete" message.

What is needed to get the 'discovered by' tag if you are first to find/turn in?

All correct (although I thought you needed to "ping" with the Basic as well - it's so long since I've used one, it might have changed )

AFAIK any close scan will earn a discoverd by tag if you are the first one to do such a scan and turn it in to UniCart.

EDIT: Yes, in the patch release notes Michael states "surface scan", not "detailed scan"

 

[Kuroshio]

Just one small correction: You still have to ping with the Basic Discovery Scanner to find everything within 500 LS. Finding very close bodies (usually the star you arrive at) is the only thing that happens automatically.

 

[Gelb]

You can power the module completely off or on by selecting it (as you have done) and pressing the fire button. Toggles On or OFF.

You can also decide to put the module on a higher or lower power priority - say you had a weaker power module and your current loadout was using too much power - setting various modules to lower priority would mean they'd automatically get shut down when for example you deployed weapons.

Cheers for that ,so as my surface scanner is on and working , my question remains why does my surface scanner no longer give surface information, just name faction and size

 

[Genar-Hofoen]

So....

Basic: finds bodies if you are close (<500 LS). Scans basic data when close enough (varies with body type).
Intermediate: Ping to find bodies upto 1000 LS. Scans basic data when close enough (varies with body type).
Advanced: Ping to find ALL bodies in system. Scans basic data when close enough (varies with body type).

The bits in red are totally wrong. The Discovery scanners are nothing to do with surface scanners in that respect (i.e. they do not scan for temperature, atmosphere etc.)

Detailed Disc: If you have one, when you are close enough to scan with a basic/int/adv, it adds data scanned and gives you the extra money and the "detailed surf scan complete" message.

Correct. If you have the Detailed Discovery Scanner, this will add more information to your surface scan (NOT the discovery scan above!).

What is needed to get the 'discovered by' tag if you are first to find/turn in?

I thought all that was needed was to discover the body in the first place (i.e. using just the discovery scanners) - it does say "First discovered by" rather than "First detailed scanned/surveyed/analysed by".

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Cheers for that ,so as my surface scanner is on and working , my question remains why does my surface scanner no longer give surface information, just name faction and size

Oh, this is in inhabited space? I suspect it's precisely because it is assumed that systems with a station/factions are already considered as scanned?

Have you sold any of your scanned systems? You need to be in another system at least 20LY from the system that you scanned, in inhabited space, to sell that data.

 

[Abil Midena]

Balls...

Basic/Int/Adv: Finds body if very close. Also provides basic scan data when you get close to body and pointed at it ('close' varies with body type).

Basic/Int/Adv: Ping to find bodies... < 500 LS with Basic, <1000 LS with Int, All with Advanced.

Detailed Surf Scan: Works without user input if equipped/powered. If you have one, when you are close enough to scan with a basic/int/adv, it adds data scanned and gives you the extra money and the "detailed surf scan complete" message. Not needed to get "discovered by" if you are first to find and turn in to Uni Cart.

Man, do I have it right now???

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The bits in red are totally wrong. The Discovery scanners are nothing to do with surface scanners in that respect (i.e. they do not scan for temperature, atmosphere etc.)

What I mean is that it will tell you *something* about the body. For example, if you have a basic disc scanner, it will 'find' a body you are close to. If you point at it, it will say 'scanning' and tell you basic data, like sun type.

 

[Genar-Hofoen]

Balls...

Basic/Int/Adv: Finds body if very close. Also provides basic scan data when you get close to body and pointed at it ('close' varies with body type).

Basic/Int/Adv: Ping to find bodies... < 500 LS with Basic, <1000 LS with Int, All with Advanced.

When you type "Basic/Int/Adv" - you are referring to the DISCOVERY scanner - i.e. scanner responsible for discovering the EXISTENCE of a body in a system.

Detailed Surf Scan: Works without user input if equipped/powered. If you have one, when you are close enough to scan with a basic/int/adv, it adds data scanned and gives you the extra money and the "detailed surf scan complete" message. Not needed to get "discovered by" if you are first to find and turn in to Uni Cart.

Man, do I have it right now???

No. Let me rephrase that one for you : Detailed Surf Scan: Works without user input if equipped/powered. If you have one, when you are close enough to scan using your ship targeting system, you get very detailed scans of that body. This data is more valuable than just using the basic or intermediate SURFACE scanner, and you will receive more money from Universal Cartographics once you manage to sell the data to them at a station.

Does that help?

 

[Kuroshio]

You got it, Abil.

As for "first discovered by", you need to do a scan (Detailed Surface Scanner NOT required, but more money don't hurt) to get that. (Your system map will show the planets and stars after the ping, but they will all be "unexplored". "First discovered" is a misnomer.

Edit @Genar, there is NO basic or intermediate (or advanced, for that matter) surface scanner. All Discovery Scanners can perform a basic surface scan, a Detailed Surface Scanner just improves that scan. Stop confusing the newcomers.

 

[Gelb]

Ok I think I have now answered my own question, am now out in the deep Black and scanner working normally , so I figure in known space the surface scanner just gives name faction and size of a planet, out here in planets designated unexplored the scanner give you type of surface , thanks guys for your assistance am now off exploring &#55357;&#56846;

 

[Abil Midena]

When you type "Basic/Int/Adv" - you are referring to the DISCOVERY scanner - i.e. scanner responsible for discovering the EXISTENCE of a body in a system.




No. Let me rephrase that one for you : Detailed Surf Scan: Works without user input if equipped/powered. If you have one, when you are close enough to scan using your ship targeting system, you get very detailed scans of that body. This data is more valuable than just using the basic or intermediate SURFACE scanner, and you will receive more money from Universal Cartographics once you manage to sell the data to them at a station.

Does that help?

But a Basic/Int/Adv will also give you basic info on the body if you target it. Right?

Roger on the Detail Surf Scanner...what happens if I only have a Detail Surf Scanner, no Basic/Int/Adv, and get close to a body I know is there, and target it. Nothing, right? You MUST also have a Basic/Int/Adv for the Detailed Surf Scanner to do anything.

 

[Genar-Hofoen]

But a Basic/Int/Adv will also give you basic info on the body if you target it. Right?

It will tell you a body exists, and what type it is, and what size, yes. But it wont' work in tandem with the surface scanner to provide detailed information - you have to fly close to an individual body to do that - that's when the detailed surface scanner does its job

Roger on the Detail Surf Scanner...what happens if I only have a Detail Surf Scanner, no Basic/Int/Adv, and get close to a body I know is there, and target it. Nothing, right? You MUST also have a Basic/Int/Adv for the Detailed Surf Scanner to do anything.

Yes, your ship's computer must know of the existence of the body, before the surface scanner can perform a surface scan on it.

 

[Hellhawk666]

...what happens if I only have a Detail Surf Scanner, no Basic/Int/Adv, and get close to a body I know is there, and target it. Nothing, right? You MUST also have a Basic/Int/Adv for the Detailed Surf Scanner to do anything.

I'm not so sure about that. Yes, you need to have found the body in order to close-scan it at all, and yes if you are doing this and have your Detailed Surface Scanner powered on it will give more data.

However, I just tried this with my Advanced Discovery Scanner powered OFF, and the close scan STILL WORKS in either case.

ie with Adv Disc Scan OFF and Det Surf Scan OFF you still get a close scan. Turn the Det Surf Scan back on and you will repeat the scan and get more data.

I can't remove my Adv Scanner at the moment to try the Det Surf Scanner alone as I'm out in the boonies, but I'd be interested to hear what happens if someone can do this.

There is, however, no such thing as Basic, Intermediate or Advanced Surface Scanners.

 

[Abil Midena]

Ok, last try:

Basic/Int/Adv: Finds body with no user action if very close. Also provides basic scan data when you target the body and get close enough ('close enough' varies with body type). If you do this, and were the first to find and sell data to Uni Cart, you get the "discovered by" tag for that body.

Basic/Int/Adv: Ping to find bodies... < 500 LS with Basic, <1000 LS with Int, All with Advanced.

Detailed Surf Scan: Requires Basic/Int/Adv scanner that has already been used to find the body to work. Works without user input if equipped/powered. If you have one, when you target a body and are close enough to scan, it adds data scanned and gives you the extra money and the "detailed surf scan complete" message. Not needed to get "discovered by".

 

[Kuroshio]

Still basically correct. The terminology is confusing: That basic scan your Discovery Scanners can do when close enough is a Surface Scan (at least according to Michael Brooks.) The Detailed Surface Scanner just makes that Surface Scan more... Detailed.

@Hellhawk: It's already ticketed that you can do surface scans without a scanner (you can even ping, go home, remove the DSS and return for a detailed scan... Without a scanner.)

 

[Abil Midena]

Still basically correct. The terminology is confusing: That basic scan your Discovery Scanners can do when close enough is a Surface Scan (at least according to Michael Brooks.) The Detailed Surface Scanner just makes that Surface Scan more... Detailed.

@Hellhawk: It's already ticketed that you can do surface scans without a scanner (you can even ping, go home, remove the DSS and return for a detailed scan... Without a scanner.)

Right, if you want to go exploring, you install an Advanced Discovery Scanner and a Detailed Surface Scanner. You arrive in the new system in SC and conduct a ping with your Advanced Discovery Scanner. You then target each body in turn and get close enough for a scan to start and complete. You then go back and sell the data and find out someone has already discovered everything in the game (that's a joke...mostly).

edit*: And thanks to everyone for helping to sort this all out.

 

[Hellhawk666]

Ok, last try:

Basic/Int/Adv: Finds body with no user action if very close. Also provides basic scan data when you target the body and get close enough ('close enough' varies with body type). If you do this, and were the first to find and sell data to Uni Cart, you get the "discovered by" tag for that body.

Basic/Int/Adv: Ping to find bodies... < 500 LS with Basic, <1000 LS with Int, All with Advanced.

Detailed Surf Scan: Requires Basic/Int/Adv scanner that has already been used to find the body to work. Works without user input if equipped/powered. If you have one, when you target a body and are close enough to scan, it adds data scanned and gives you the extra money and the "detailed surf scan complete" message. Not needed to get "discovered by".

Not quite, and I apologize if I might have given the wrong idea in the posts above. I think this is the clearest way to look at it:

Basic/Int/Adv Discovery Scanners: Only function is to locate the presence of a body, and provide minimal data about it. Such bodies will be labelled as UNEXPLORED by you.
Close scan: Provides extra data about the body once it has been located, marks it as explored by you, and possibly as DISCOVERED BY you, if you're the first to sell the data.
Detailed Surface Scan: Provides even more data and a higher payout

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Right, if you want to go exploring, you install an Advanced Discovery Scanner and a Detailed Surface Scanner. You arrive in the new system in SC and conduct a ping with your Advanced Discovery Scanner. You then target each body in turn and get close enough for a scan to start and complete. You then go back and sell the data and find out someone has already discovered everything in the game (that's a joke...mostly).

Yes! and yes, it's no joke

 

[Mikey2305]

most of the galaxy is still available to be discovered. still less than 1% has been mapped