Horizons Did someone say missions were nerfed?

[JetsonRING]

[hotas] I suppose it depends on a CMDRs point of view and mission goals. If CMDRs are looking for pre-2.2 levels of credits for hauling doo-doo at C/S well, uh-oh, but:

After reading the stories about the "nerfed" missions at Ceos/Sothis I decided I already had enough Federation (Rear-Admiral) rank, don't want to go exploring and decided to try Aditi and farm some Imperial rank. Well,

flew into SMJL Central, never even been in this part of space before and picked up 20 short-haul data delivery missions in about 5 minutes. Logged around once.

Yeah, the payout amounts have been reduced 75-90% but missions are there. Now if only FD would only up the 20 mission limit to 40 . . . :x

 

[Mercury7]

Sothis aside, the thought is in reducing mission rewards there, the entire mission system was reduced to peanuts.

 

[HalloweenWeed]

Sothis aside, the thought is in reducing mission rewards there, the entire mission system was reduced to peanuts.

That's what I've been seeing, for cargo delivery & data delivery missions - that's all I have been checking out. But just the primary pay, the secondary (optional) payouts have still been substantial (yes I've been doing them). It's not the primary pay that I take the missions for now. However, like in my poll thread, I would rather be playing 2.1.

 

[GG7]

Passenger missions are paying some pretty impressive rewards. You need to be Allied with the mission giver (s) to get the best ones, but I just completed two sightseeing missions that totaled 13 million between the two of them. Took me just over 90 minutes to complete both.

Helps to kit out an Asp X or Anaconda with a 45 Ly+ jump range and run minimal cabins to keep that range up there.

My "Anaconda Liner" has a range of 46 Ly running just two small first class cabins that hold 3 people each. You can find sightseeing missions that don't require more than one of these 3 person 1st class cabins per mission client, and with a jump range in the mid 40s, you can easily complete a 3-4 stop version in under 30 minutes or less. Most of the travel distances in these fall under 250 Ly per system stop or less, so if you run a ship that can do 40+ Ly jumps, you are talking less than a half dozen jumps for the long hops and 1-2 for the shorter ones.

Even single A to B versions can pay up to 2.5 million and those are usually under 30 Ly between the A and B systems.

Frankly.... Since 2.2 dropped I haven't bothered with any conventional missions since the passenger ones are paying so much more $$ per game hour its not even a contest.

If you are going for Engineer Mats/Data and Commodities, then conventional missions are probably a better bet, although I have picked up some rare stuff in a few of these. Exquisite Focus Crystals for example.

 

[Smoke_Fan]

But for new players who cant get these things...   ...really!

 

[Mercury7]

Here's why losing any high-income stream (not requiring expensive ships to begin with) is bad!

Insurance on this is a little over 14 M cr.

Ship fit (using only stock parts to the minimum required):

8A power dist
8B power plant
7A thrusters
7A shield generator
6A FSD
6C fuel scoop
6D fighter hanger (2x fighter + crew)
5B shield cell bank
5C fuel tank
5D life support
5D hull reinforcement x 2
4E cargo rack

5x shield booster
2x point defence
1x chaff launcher
1x class 4G beam
3x class 3G MC
2x class 2G MC
2x class 1F frag cannon

How is anyone supposed to operate a combat ship like this, when "Dangerous" Anaconda in a High Res is only giving 100k bounty (not counting the damage inflicted in the exchange)?!?! If you kill anything smaller, you're only looking at about 15k if you're lucky. Yesterday I made a 270k loss overall after 2 hours! This, considering I took out 14 ships in that time (it was rather slow going).

 

[Phantom Zero]

I just spent a little under 3 months in Sothis Mining-CEOS New Dawn-Newholm and built up 940 million doing round robin trips between the three stations. It was a real grind, boring as hell but I worked hard for that cash.

I left the system when the update came in as the missions dropped to peanuts, I thought it was just in this system as I heard rumours that Sothis was going to be locked down or buggered up as the devs hated players making cash there like they did in Robigo. I did not realise it was the whole game, the whole system that has taken a huge drop off in payouts!!!

I just spent millions on an Anaconda...500 million to be exact...what is the point in doing a mission for 7 grand especially when I just spent 26 million on an FSD??????????????

Devs, what are you playing at? Why are you making this game more boring than it already is? Have thought maybe had enough of ED and time to move on. Cant wait for Star Citizen that's going to be a dream come true.

 

[Warshrike]

Same mate i only found out about sothis/ceos a week and a bit ago. I spent 4 solid days running those 400ly jumps in a python after getting my rep up with those transfer missions. I worked my     off and after a full year playing previously i had managed to get into a python with 10 mil in the bank thats it after all that time cause frankly i just got sick to death of the grind. After 1 week of being in sothis i have 400 mill in the bank a fully decked anaconda and a decked out flur de lance for fighting fun. After the vulture had its balls ripped off i got the flur. So now i finally have the finacial freedom in the game to actually go out and enjoy and experience some of it. The whole sothis nerf cry babies who are the ones who called for this bull     nerf can just go get "       *****" for you have taken this opportunity away from everyone. It was not that easy make all that cash i really had to work for it. 31 jumps loaded in the python 1 way 20 back when i got the conda running that took it to approx 20-23 jumps loaded 14 jumps back. How is that not working for your money with multiple stops to drop off once u got the initial 30 jumps to your 1st drop. Not to mention all the time going thru the boards to get the missions to fill ur hold. This whole nerf mission pay is the worst solution i have ever seen. To make matters worse i went ok, reffited the conda to do passenger runs. 1st run out thru now fault of my own i now have a galaxy wide bounty on my head and i have 0 idea why i got it. I ended up tossing all 4 missions as trying to understand where you had to go and how to complete them is also a joke. So after finally feeling like i was getting somewhere in the game, i just logged off last night gutted again. Oh and i still cannot fly with my friends in a multi player game is just icing on the cake another failed promise.

 

[Mercury7]

I just spent another 2 hours in a res - made 1.2 M. It was slow, but the bounties seem to have returned to more normal levels.

The difference from yesterday, was today I had *NO* crew hired!

 

[KellyR]

6485 for 21 tons of liquor? or 7494 for 18 tons of fish? This is not reasonable considering the costs of ships. This has made contract freight a non-viable profession. And considering that some of these places are more than 10k ls (or more, often a lot more) makes it all the worse. Come on, FD. I don't expect 100k or more for hauling 20 tons of liquor or so. But I do expect decent remuneration, not slave wage.

 

[Mercury7]

Warshrike: I completely agree! Everyone who wanted to could do a few Sothis runs. As it is now the missions are absolutely useless.

Did the Vulture get nerfed in 2.2?! I found it to be OK in 2.1. What did they do to it?

 

[Warshrike]

To be honest mate i am not exactly sure what they did to it. I only know that is is now where near what it used to be. After finding out about sothis i came back after as long stint away from elite. 1st i thought i will for old time sake take the vulture out for some fun and it was hopeless. In the old days i could sit in a high res or a high conflict zone and farm till my chaff was gone or i had taken a bit of damage and head back in like a good 30 mins to a hour in the site make a couple mil a run. Now u got no chance of being in there like that. You got eagles and cobra's slamming you with missiles and all this stuff ur shields are just gone where as i could tank a little in the old days. Imo like i said the vulture has had its balls taken from it.

 

[Mercury7]

To be honest mate i am not exactly sure what they did to it. I only know that is is now where near what it used to be. After finding out about sothis i came back after as long stint away from elite. 1st i thought i will for old time sake take the vulture out for some fun and it was hopeless. In the old days i could sit in a high res or a high conflict zone and farm till my chaff was gone or i had taken a bit of damage and head back in like a good 30 mins to a hour in the site make a couple mil a run. Now u got no chance of being in there like that. You got eagles and cobra's slamming you with missiles and all this stuff ur shields are just gone where as i could tank a little in the old days. Imo like i said the vulture has had its balls taken from it.

I think what it might be is the Eagles are now engineered (in fact, many NPC are now engineered) and they pack serious weapons!

This is why the mission problem is a very serious one, as we need to fly decent ships just to deal with the NPCs, but we can't make the credits required to run our ships!

I really hope FD are reading these messages, and realize they have made it unplayable right now.

 

[Warshrike]

Ah that makes sense about the engineered npc's. I did realize that they were a lot harder to handle then i remember which i didn't mind made me fly better but oh god the dmg . Yes you are completely right about the type of ship you need now to be viable. I think in the end my Flur is a 90 mil build including ship price so yeah to lose that and have to spend 3 mil to replace it is a joke. (Cause no way in hell am i risking a 200 mil combat fit anaconda at these pay outs, with 10 mil rebuy) What chance do new players have of getting a sense of achievement from the game the way it stands now? My biggest gripe tho is i am still unable to fly with anyone outside of Australia, even then peeps on the other side of the country i still have trouble winging with. So all my american mates that play i can't fly with them. Which means i cannot go in a group and really rack up some cash as 5-6 of you can rule a site. Again a part of the game denied to me and now this cutting me off from making any decent money at all. This patch was supposed to address that and it has failed again in that regard as well.

 

[punkerich]

Doesn't mean to sound harsh, but hey: they wanted us to drive SRV's, therefore made POI's (at least some) harder to find from within the ship, removed the ability to target skimmers.
Now they want us to do passenger missions.

Buddy said missions in general aren't only nerfed in terms of payout, even the amount seems to have been reduced a lot, at least in our control space. To top that, you have to be even more picky in taking on missions for your faction 'cause the receiving end will have influence changes, too, again.
And i loved doing all kind of missions, especially planetside, whilst doing faction work.
So the only option ist to (KWS) bounty hunt, bulk trading for controlled stations (yay [not]) or, right, passenger missions.

I'll definately not become a space taxi, thank you.
Time to lay back for a few patches, it seems, hoping things will get restored to an acceptable level...

 

[KellyR]

Doesn't mean to sound harsh, but hey: they wanted us to drive SRV's, therefore made POI's (at least some) harder to find from within the ship, removed the ability to target skimmers.
Now they want us to do passenger missions.

Buddy said missions in general aren't only nerfed in terms of payout, even the amount seems to have been reduced a lot, at least in our control space. To top that, you have to be even more picky in taking on missions for your faction 'cause the receiving end will have influence changes, too, again.
And i loved doing all kind of missions, especially planetside, whilst doing faction work.
So the only option ist to (KWS) bounty hunt, bulk trading for controlled stations (yay [not]) or, right, passenger missions.

I'll definately not become a space taxi, thank you.
Time to lay back for a few patches, it seems, hoping things will get restored to an acceptable level...

Even the bulk passenger missions have been nerfed. I loved doing those in the Beta. Good money. Now they want to pay like 3 or 4 thousand to take 5 passengers somewhere. Or 10k to take 15 tourists somewhere. The sight seeing missions pay good, but not the regular point a to point b.

 

[punkerich]

Even the bulk passenger missions have been nerfed. I loved doing those in the Beta. Good money. Now they want to pay like 3 or 4 thousand to take 5 passengers somewhere. Or 10k to take 15 tourists somewhere. The sight seeing missions pay good, but not the regular point a to point b.

Oh noes... do they really want to make me spent the time with my family, again? sigh...

 

[JetsonRING]

I just spent a little under 3 months in Sothis Mining-CEOS New Dawn-Newholm and built up 940 million doing round robin trips between the three stations. It was a real grind, boring as hell but I worked hard for that cash.

I left the system when the update came in as the missions dropped to peanuts, I thought it was just in this system as I heard rumours that Sothis was going to be locked down or buggered up as the devs hated players making cash there like they did in Robigo. I did not realise it was the whole game, the whole system that has taken a huge drop off in payouts!!!

I just spent millions on an Anaconda...500 million to be exact...what is the point in doing a mission for 7 grand especially when I just spent 26 million on an FSD??????????????

Devs, what are you playing at? Why are you making this game more boring than it already is? Have thought maybe had enough of ED and time to move on. Cant wait for Star Citizen that's going to be a dream come true.

[wacko] Took me over 600 hours of grinding to earn my billion, I do not see how C/S was any sort of "exploit". The payouts were high but you worked for those credits. Fell asleep at the controls several times. I just spent 600 million outfitting my Corvette (and not finished), what am I supposed to do with it if it cannot earn its own keep in credits?

 

[Warshrike]

Exactly mate well said. Also now with the nerf i will never ever see my corvette as i only managed to get to lieutenant before this garbage. I have been doing transfers and such just to see and yep they have gutted the rep from those as well as the money. I got the cash finally to buy 1 and fit it ok and now its gonna take god knows how long just to earn the bloody rank.

 

[KellyR]

It's clear that balancing is needed. From what I see, the bulk passenger missions have been reduced to 1/10 their previous (Beta) level. This is not realistic considering the cost of ships. The average mission of this type was like 40K or 50k. And with the current cost of ships, that seems balanced and reasonable. They say play the game your way. Well, my way is bulk passenger missions. It's not for everyone, but it's the way I'd like to play. But with the current payouts, it doesn't bring enough rewards.