Did Trading Ruin Your Game (it did mine)

Heres what happened....

I'm writing this on my laptop as the docking computer in my Type 6 lands (yes, that's how boring this game has become for me)...

1. Started with Eagle (from pre-buy). Wouldn't make very much difference if I started with sidewinder.
2. Hit signal sources near by spawn system and killed a few random "wanted" pirates. Quickly made enough (about 14K) for the K-Warrant Scanner.
3. Camped Nav Beacon at the closest anarchy system to my spawn of LHS 3446. It's no secret, its well known now. Use K-Scanner to scan everyone, and anyone, i mean anyone, with a bounty: BLAST EM. Repeat process until have enough for a decently kitted out Viper.
4. Sold Eagle, outfitted Viper with 4 x lasers, returned to same nav beacon and kill kill kill. Along the road, encounter more than several heated battles (usually to the death) with other players. Sometimes a guy kill steals from me too many times, I sneak up on his 6 and blast him to death as he is engaging another NPC and cant defend himself. Sometimes the same thing happens to me. Encounter much rage and much joy during these times. highs and lows! ex WarThunder buddies join the game and we all camp same beacon and use teamspeak for voice comms. Other players have no idea we are working as a small squadron and are quickly blown to pieces by all 3 or 4 of us when they make just one of us mad. Average player has no idea that coordinated team play is going on and the surprise is awesome (to us, anyway).... Repeat until have enough for Type-6 with max cargo and still a million credits left over for trade capital.


(Unknowingly, the fun and rage and joy of the game is about to end for me...)

5. Buy Type-6. Remove all weapons, fit class A FSD and class D everything else, equip with 96 cargo slots. Buy my first ever docking computer. Max out cargo hold flying 2 x jump, each way, round trip trade routes. Use the crowd sourced websites that tell you which stations and routes and cargo to buy and sell. Cheating? i don't think so. Normal income is 220K in 20 minutes. Thats 660K in 1 hour. Repeat repeat repeat.
6. Friend shows me a spreadsheet he made of a rares trading route. I jump on it. Without side trading (i.e., taking "normal" goods along with the rares) it makes approx 780K in exactly 60 minutes. If I take side goods as told by the website, the run makes 850K in 65 minutes (takes an extra 5 minutes to look up on my laptop which goods to make for each leg). Repeat Repeat.
7. Game is ruined.

On my best days at camping Ngaliba Nav Beacon (anarchy) in my multi million dollar combat only viper, I would maybe, maybe make 120 K in an hour of camping. And that 120 K bounty was often spread over all 3 x systems, and any alliance bounty was worth 0 to me since it was way way to far to collect it.

Now, doing the rare run, as stated above, I make 850 K in 1 hour. That is is about 7 TIMES more per hour than I would make bounty hunting. But its 1000 times less fun. No combat. No yelling YES as I blow a human player who kill stole to pieces, hoping he had 300K of uncollected bounties he lost. No more screaming **** after another player did the same to me. No more playing in team speak with my squad buddies as we all covered each others six from players and NPCs. Now we all basically fly around alone, though still talking on teamspeak (but now about how boring the game is instead of yelling for fire support on our tail...)

Now, I tell myself, Im just going to do this until I can get a decent ASP, fit for combat, and go back to my old nav beacon as a squad again. But I think a decently combat capable ASP will cost about 10 million. Then I need at least 2 more million in cash to cover insurance costs when something bad happens (so I'm not like the guy in the other thread who quit the game when he lost his Asp in PvP, with 0 credits in his pocket....) 12 million in assets (assuming I sell the Type-6) needed. Thats 14 hours, yeah FOURTEEN HOURS, of running this rare route. How long can i do it? 3 hours a day? thats nearly 5 days. Doesn't sound like much, but when the fun has already been sapped.... Feels more like actual work, something I normally get paid real money for...

Anyway, this has been my experience since starting on Dec 16th.

/rant over

Any others have this experience?
 
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well yes, balance is totally off - but just do what you like to do

i know it's a bit tough to bounty-hunt when you know you can hop into your T6 and make 10 times more money and get the next upgrade in 1-2 hours.

but that's what it is - you'll have to restrict yourself one way or the other
 
So why not go back to flying the Viper again? Why do you need to get to an Asp?

im having way to much fun in my Cobra. I also don't play one role at a time. I'm doing rare trade runs but while doing them im exploring some systems (can be very tedious if you do too much) and stopping at nav beacons and USS to engage in some friendly bounty hunting. I find the balance of the roles is the way to go.

Too op much of one thing is never good :)
 
The money-grind is not fun. Trading is not particularly fun anyway, but having to do it to support your other play styles is even more boring.

If they gave me an off-line EvE, I'd sit around and mine for hours and manufacture things that nobody would buy, because I find that part of the game relaxing. The trading is much more intense in their player economy, but I'd rather just space-truck deliveries for other people than mess about playing the markets.

Pew-pew in EvE is another matter, and fun when you can find it, but it's just basically blob-wars these days and nobody will engage unless they're sure they'll win.

I keep hoping that space-trucking or mining will become fun here, but the self-proclaimed 'fanbois' don't seem to want the rest of us to have fun, even though a lot of us played in 1984 and just want an updated version of that game in more than just graphics...
 
Not really. I'm still in a Cobra doing crimes having a blast. Maybe you should find something fun to do?
 
Just quit trading and pretending it's needed to make your game better. Buy an Eagle/Viper/Cobra and play the game minute to minute instead of spread-sheeting it. If you subject yourself to something you feel is mind-numbingly boring how can you expect anyone to sympathise that you're bored?
 
A couple of Ideas:
-Keep a secondary fighting ship for hunting trips in between (Trade with T6 and hunt with Viper). Later, both can be combined in Asp or even Python.
-Do Assassination missions. Killing Elite Anacondas can yield several 200 kCr per hr and are fun to do. Of course, there is risk involved and skills to learn.
-Let other missions distract you from your usual trading. You might experience new systems/adventures doing so.
-Set yourself a target ship and consider it the "payment" for your "work".
-Go for other targets like ranking/rating, not pure Cr balance. Switch targets/priorities, if reaching one takes too long.

-Last, but no least: There is no rush. Take your time and enjoy the journey more than the goals.
 
I trade, but go from A to B to C to D. Every new system as soon as I hyper in I go to the nav point and kill a few pirates, then sell my stuff and rinse and repeat. Bored? No chance, you fight better if you have a full cargo hold you can lose.
 
agree, I see trading as necessary evil only, trading up to 5-6 mil just to have to cover my insurance for multiple losses.
Fact is, you don't need to feel any rush in playing this game, leave only one day for trading, to cover your losses, bounty hunt and play with your squad for the rest of the week. Hell you could even trade with your team ;) Make a convoy and see if you attract any pirates :D
 
Thanks for the suggestions guys, thats what I was hoping for.

After re-reading my post, I do sound a bit too "whiny". I wasn't looking for sympathy, I mean, man this is a game. What does any normal person do when they get bored of playing a computer game? QUIT. I was looking for suggestions on what other guys are doing for fun after they have been hit by the trading-tedium.

Thanks
 
Once again it's become about how much you make in credits, not how you make them.
I enjoy doing the military ascension missions, which pay nothing, but I enjoy doing them.
I actually enjoy looking for good trade runs and talking to other traders about good trade runs than flying the trade runs myself.
Combat is fun, trading can be boring.
Ive also tried mining thrice and system scanning thrice, all kitted out out for both.
These two do my head in.
Combat is the most fun, but trading makes the most per hour invested.
Do what you enjoy.
 
this is one reason i never use trade tools, it takes all the adventure out of it, it took me a week of station hopping to find my current home base, a high tech system with an industrial to one side and an agricultural/ref system the other. i've spent time working on my rep with the factions in all systems and had loads of fun doing it. i know this trade route wont last forever (i've seen a few other cmdr's about and profits are already starting to slip) but once its gone i'll move on and find another place to call home.

trading, like the rest of the game is what you make of it, using all the external tools you made it very easy and took all the challenge out of it. it is in the challenge that you find the fun.
 
No!

I trade when I feel like it, and don't when I don't. I play the game you see, it doesn't play me.
 
/me laughs at how OP tells us he has used various methods to circumvent the work involved in trading, says it isn't cheating, then whines that his game is ruined.

+10 would laugh again.
 
Sink some money into a BH role then and sporadically take a break from trading. The thing with elite is, you have to use your brain, stuff isnt coming on a plate and tbh 5 days griding something you hate sound dire so take 30 days doing it if needs be by doing 1 route a day whilst you do something you enjoy. Theres no race involved, you need to lose that mentality.
 
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