Disadvantages of exploring in Anaconda?

Neokortex

Neokortex
After I arrived in the bubble last night to report 2 black holes, neutrons etc. I am planning to go for next trip in this setup: http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=706,,2-3I8S9Y8S2CD88I,mpT52CmpT0Nc072mpW2UI2jw

This will be my first trip not in a Asp and I am still having doubts. I mean the jumprage will be cool but the conda is a big boat and the windows are not as big as in a Asp. Beside this repair will cost more but what else could be a reason to better go again in the Asp?

I.e. how is the fuel consumption regarding the jumprange - still an advantage to an Asp or is it a disadvantage in total because I have to fuelscoop much more?
 

Allitnil

Allitnil
The main disadvantage of the Anaconda is that it steers like a cow in SC. That makes it frustrating if you intend to do a lot of scanning - you'll notice this just when changing direction from one planet to another but it gets really annoying if you accidentally overshoot a target!

I have found it to be far more susceptible to heat damage from close binaries than smaller ships such as the Asp. That's easily mitigated however as long as you can afford AFMUs.

The Anaconda can only do 4 maximum range jumps on the standard 32T fuel tank. If you really want you can fit additional tanks to give greater range although that reduces the individual jump distance that the navigational computer uses. FWIW, I did a 12,000 system / 250,000+ LY trip with a reduced 24T fuel capacity (16T main tank plus 8T secondary tank) and only once came close to running into difficulties and then only through my own inattention.
 

Neokortex

Neokortex
Ok, but does this not mean it takes much longer to fuelscoop all the time? Even then I need to be "slower" than in a Asp because I can not so easy "glide" over the sun with speed and scoop in the same time?

It still makes me believe that exploring in Conda will be slower than in a Asp...
 

Mikey2305

Mikey2305
i have a similar dilemma... i think i would choose my asp over the annie next time im out because it is so much nippier. i think the annie would drive me bonkers after a few hours wallowing
 

Allitnil

Allitnil
It takes longer to refuel the Conda, but you don't need to refuel as often as with the Asp. The Buckyball Run A* (now The A* Challenge) is probably the best demonstration of the relative speed merits of the ships over distance. The Anaconda wins but not by anything like as much as the raw jump distances would imply. There is some speculation that the right person could significantly improve the Anaconda times but my own experience indicates that they aren't that far from the absolute optimal.

IMO, the USP of the Anaconda is the single jump distance. If you are looking to reach somewhere really hard to get or trying for a distance record then it is a no brainer. But if neither of those are important to you then you are likely to find the Asp more suitable.
 

jmp470

J
I just sold my clipper tonight for the Conda and I'm already 1,000 LY from Sol. Here is my load out, http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=706,mpa0_g0_g,2-8S8S9i8S5KD88I,544mpU5GQ7TC0MW0MW5DImpT2UI2jw

I spend 99% of my time in super cruise, so the slowness does not bother me. It is no A thrusters Clipper, that's for sure.

Its like piloting a nice size sail boat. So far I really enjoy it and do not miss the Clipper as much as I thought I would.

My 72T of fuel is about 200LY of distance and really only cost me about 2 LY on my distance. I was able to talk the salesman down to 132M Cr.
 

Traveller_GG

Traveller_GG
The Asp is a better explorer, the 'conda is a better looking ship for selfies - that pretty much sums it up.

I've just upgraded to a 'conda (from an A rated Python) and am heading out again; it takes a bit of getting used to - the TOTAL jump range is lessened (only got the 32t tank) but I always keep an eye on the fuel anyway; and the 'conda handles like a cow in treacle. However, I know that when I get tired of exploring and head back, the 40LY range I have will get me back sharpish and I'll have some stunning shots to keep of the places I've been.

I'll definitely be buying a docking computer for the 'conda when I dock as well....
 

Lestat

Banned
Lestat
I say what ever floats the Op boat. Give the Anaconda a run and see how things pan out for you. A good idea is keep the old ship just in case you don't like the Anaconda.
 
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Morbad

Morbad
I took my new Anaconda on an exploration trip recently and was able to reach several systems not far from major tourist attractions that were undiscovered because they were beyond the maximum jump range of any Asp from any other system.

I ran a 16T tank, 288T of cargo racks, and a 7B fuel scoop. 40.52ly full fuel jump range, normally had the jump range capped to 30ly with the cargo slider, which allowed 4-5 jumps per tank, while the tank only needed about 14 seconds to fill. 16T of fuel was just enough for two maximum range jumps, if needed.

Biggest, perhaps only real downside, was SC maneuverability, which is terrible. A more minor downside is repair cost.
 

Elpapo

Elpapo
Disadvantages of exploring in Anaconda?

There is no such thing, unless you are fanboy of other ship :D

Well, my "explorer" Anaconda had 41,17 jump range, and that allows me to reach many places on my trips where only such Anaconda can visit. 7A fuel scoop also is nice, 1200t/s fills that 32t in 25s so you just pass stars without stops and you got that 8t back. 2000 ly/hr makes it fastest boat in interstellar travel. Very low heat as well. Can scoop at max rate or jump into SC from surface of star and it will not overheat. For me, its steer rate in SC aint is biggie. Got used to it during space truckin carrer. Downside? Cost. 256 millions without discounts. W&T from 0% cost about 1,5 million wich is cheap anyway if you can afford such ship.

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Mike W

Mike W
Elpapo said:
Disadvantages of exploring in Anaconda?

There is no such thing, unless you are fanboy of other ship :D

Well, my "explorer" Anaconda had 41,17 jump range, and that allows me to reach many places on my trips where only such Anaconda can visit. 7A fuel scoop also is nice, 1200t/s fills that 32t in 25s so you just pass stars without stops and you got that 8t back. 2000 ly/hr makes it fastest boat in interstellar travel. Very low heat as well. Can scoop at max rate or jump into SC from surface of star and it will not overheat. For me, its steer rate in SC aint is biggie. Got used to it during space truckin carrer. Downside? Cost. 256 millions without discounts. W&T from 0% cost about 1,5 million wich is cheap anyway if you can afford such ship.

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What he said ,,,,,+ rep
 

ASC

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The Anaconda is all about the jump range. It's a great ship for exploring remote places and travelling long distances.

The Asp is the more manoeuvrable and has a better view from the cockpit.
 

Dommarraa

Dommarraa
I have both, but it would need to be a very special trip for me to consider the Conda. Either extreme rim, expecting Thargoids, or carrying a UA.
 

domaq

domaq
Dommarraa said:
I have both, but it would need to be a very special trip for me to consider the Conda. Either extreme rim, expecting Thargoids, or carrying a UA.
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I'm out right now in my "new" conda exploring some of the Universal records including the system with 6 black holes and largest number of stellar bodies. That means a lot of time in-between planetary bodies. That means ALOT of time between planetary bodies. Need I say it again? That is my biggest complaint about the explor-conda. I'm running the 24t fuel setup to have 3 full jumps available and only the 7C scoop so, yes scooping could be faster but it's not a concern.
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Unless I'm going out as per Dom's post, I won't be taking the conda out again.
 
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jmp470

J
domaq said:
I'm out right now in my "new" conda exploring some of the Universal records including the system with 6 black holes and largest number of stellar bodies. That means a lot of time in-between planetary bodies. That means ALOT of time between planetary bodies. Need I say it again? That is my biggest complaint about the explor-conda. I'm running the 24t fuel setup to have 3 full jumps available and only the 7C scoop so, yes scooping could be faster but it's not a concern.
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Unless I'm going out as per Dom's post, I won't be taking the conda out again.
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i never flown the ASP, but have flown most other ships. What are you saying above? Is the Conda slower in Super cruise? I'm coming from a Clipper and honestly don't notices difference. Now in normal cruise, 177 for Conda versus 439 for Clipper is significant.
 

Allitnil

Allitnil
AFAIK all the ships have the same speed in SC but they have different turning speeds. The Anaconda is really slow compared to a nimble ship like the Asp which can make it frustrating when scanning systems.
 

GregMalcolm

GregMalcolm
I think my rule of exploration now has become: If exploring the rim take an anaconda for the range. Otherwise take an Asp for the maneuvrabilty.

I've also tried a Diamondback Explorer recently. The tiny fuel scoop is a showstopper for me.
 

domaq

domaq
Allitnil said:
AFAIK all the ships have the same speed in SC but they have different turning speeds. The Anaconda is really slow compared to a nimble ship like the Asp which can make it frustrating when scanning systems.
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The top speed is the same, yes, but the acceleration is vastly different based on ship mass. I base this on when we've raced over long distances (>5kls) to reach a client in a hurry, I can catch and even pass an Asp in a Courier over a fairly short distance. This also held true Asp vs. Anaconda.
 
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