Do kickstarter pledge rewards differ from new backers?

[Chazzie]

Hi all,

I'm a new user and started at 'Premium Beta' access level and I just have a simple question.

Do new users get any of the awards issued to the Kickstarter backers at the same tier? (£100).
such as Ship decals, different start points ect.

Please don't get the question wrong - I'm not asking for anything but I would just like to know.

If the option to buy these arrive later then I'll just show my support then instead!

 

[Aewarin Jameson]

Currently the answer is no - Kickstart rewards were exclusively for KS backers.

The scenario could change in the future though.

 

[IAM GROOT]

Currently the answer is no - Kickstart rewards were exclusively for KS backers.

The scenario could change in the future though.

That's the way it should stay IMO, the KS backers were the guys who got this game developed in the first place so should retain the extra rewards, for this to be offered now to anyone who ponies up the money devalues the efforts of the guys who paid when it mattered.

I myself backed to the £85 level and later upgraded to Alpha, I do not for 1 minute feel entitled to the KS rewards for Alpha backer level, I am merely happy to be helping shape this awesome game

 

[Gen-Han-Solo]

That's the way it should stay IMO, the KS backers were the guys who got this game developed in the first place so should retain the extra rewards, for this to be offered now to anyone who ponies up the money devalues the efforts of the guys who paid when it mattered.

I myself backed to the £85 level and later upgraded to Alpha, I do not for 1 minute feel entitled to the KS rewards for Alpha backer level, I am merely happy to be helping shape this awesome game

I could not agree more -Han_Solo- OUT of the dark and just paid over £230 pounds but even I feel that I should not get any extra rewards I missed the Kickstarter those guys took a big risk and should get the rewards for it . I managed to back on the online app and gave as much as and when I had the cash .

 

[KickahasTier]

Anyone else notice the new nomenclature, "Alpha customer"

I'm <p></p><p> retty sure should come with a special "sucker" decal.

But really, anyone who is willing to stump up that much cash should get all the rewards. Especially because the Alpha is basically over.

 

[Aleksej]

Anyone else notice the new nomenclature, "Alpha customer"

I'm <p></p><p> retty sure should come with a special "sucker" decal.

But really, anyone who is willing to stump up that much cash should get all the rewards. Especially because the Alpha is basically over.

They will get some rewards that the rest Alphas have. E.g. 1/2 insurance costs. However, this does not mean that they should get all rewards that KS Alphas have.

 

[IAM GROOT]

Anyone else notice the new nomenclature, "Alpha customer"

I'm <p></p><p> retty sure should come with a special "sucker" decal.

But really, anyone who is willing to stump up that much cash should get all the rewards. Especially because the Alpha is basically over.

The kickstarter campaign was for FD to gain funding and also a target audience number to see if it was viable after 25 years for this game to go ahead, as a KS backer I pledged as much as I could along with many others to help ensure this game we have all been waiting on would actually happen. All the while we knew there was the possibility we would not reach the target and the game would not be developed.
As a result of my pledge I will get certain rewards, starter ship/credits/starting location/decals etc, that was part of the incentive along with funding the game development. That pledging period ended over a year ago, I along with others waited a long time to even start the testing phase, as it turned out out I couldn't wait for standard beta so I upgraded to Alpha but, as I stated above, in no way do I expect the extra rewards the KS Alpha backers received, I was just happy to get into the action early

When FD made Alpha stages and now Beta stages available to anyone with the cash they were already granting rewards, early access to the games stages which had previously closed, so why should the guys signing up late get all the early rewards which were given to the backers who pledged when it meant something.

I agree that by paying to upgrade people are continuing to fund FD but their reward is gaining access to something they had already missed the boat on, anyone wanting the extra rewards the KS backers got are way out of order, IMHO

 

[Patrick_68000]

The rewards of Kickstarter (and the old shop) are from another time. Leave the past behind and look to the future

 

[Evilroco]

Calm down guys ,I know their were some pretty heated threads in the past about this but Chazzie has a asked simple question and hasn't demanded anything .

I would guess he now knows that those KS rewards are not included in the shop packages and will make his decision accordingly.

 

[KickahasTier]

They will get some rewards that the rest Alphas have. E.g. 1/2 insurance costs. However, this does not mean that they should get all rewards that KS Alphas have.

Thanks for explaining that, that's really helpful.

You are wrong, in my opinion, completely utterly absolutely 100% incorrect. That is to say you said one thing, but the opposite was true; you are of course entitled to you very own opinion, it's just in my estimation a bad one and you should no hold on to it. It would in fact be best if you were to change your opinion to a more acceptable one, like mine. You may chhose not to do so, but that will be your mistake.

Please help someone else with your insight.

 

[KickahasTier]

The rewards of Kickstarter (and the old shop) are from another time. Leave the past behind and look to the future

Yes, you can still be an alpha customer !

 

[MikeR]

Hey all

I think that it's a fair question. I bought premium beta as soon I found out that Elite was going to be released, had I known about the KS I would have put my money straight into that, but I didn't so all I could invest in was the premium beta. I don't want anything I'm not entitled too but if I'd known about KS.......

 

[IAM GROOT]

Hey all

I think that it's a fair question. I bought premium beta as soon I found out that Elite was going to be released, had I known about the KS I would have put my money straight into that, but I didn't so all I could invest in was the premium beta. I don't want anything I'm not entitled too but if I'd known about KS.......

It was widely advertised, press, media, social media etc. it's unfortunate you missed it but it's like missing the Boxing Day sale and trying to buy the same thing at sale price months later

 

[KickahasTier]

It was widely advertised, press, media, social media etc. it's unfortunate you missed it but it's like missing the Boxing Day sale and trying to buy the same thing at sale price months later

No it's not. It's like paying the full retail price of a new car when it already has 100,000 miles on it.

Any kick-starter perks are prime candidates for monetisation, there is no reason to not sell them, it actually makes terrible sense not to.

My guess is that most of the perks will become available to purchase.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Yes, you can still be an alpha customer !

Indeed you can.

While the KickStarter finished in January 2013, the rewards were available until early December 2013 from the Frontier site. This was during the period before the first Alpha came out.

After the release of the first Alpha there was more security in the quality of the product and therefore pledges became shop products, losing the KickStarter rewards in the process.

The rewards associated with KickStarter pledges were available for about 13 months, it is unfortunate that you missed them.

 

[Aleksej]

Hey all

I think that it's a fair question. I bought premium beta as soon I found out that Elite was going to be released, had I known about the KS I would have put my money straight into that, but I didn't so all I could invest in was the premium beta. I don't want anything I'm not entitled too but if I'd known about KS.......

We all have something like you said "If I'd know about..."
Just don't let it come over you.

 

[Qpid Stunt]

It was widely advertised, press, media, social media etc. it's unfortunate you missed it but it's like missing the Boxing Day sale and trying to buy the same thing at sale price months later

Good analogy

I nearly missed the KS campaign and only got on board a month before the end but backed as much as I could, remembering all the summer holidays and time I spent playing on Elite back in the day

I personally feel when people backed on KS early they were putting their faith in DB and FD's ideas, skills, vision and hard work. With little or no information available, no videos around on youtube, and did not know whether the game would be even made, let alone what it would be like (X anyone?), it was their risk. So by taking that leap of faith and backing at that point, the rewards for that risk should not be repeated, nor the benefits be available for people backing later and knowing what they are putting their money behind. When FD made Alpha and Beta available in the shop once the KS period was over, people backing from then still get early access, and as we know more recently the 1/2 price ship insurance for Alpha backers... these are the rewards for backing E: D later.

Its a shame people didn't know or couldn't get on board at the KS time, but if you arrive at the station late, expect to miss the train

Saying that, it may be of interest for people who missed the KS period to know there is a thread elsewhere in the General Forum posted during that time discussing what starter ships & locations people would take. It turned out from the poll that most would be taking the starter Sidewinder and 100cr option regardless of how much they backed or 'could' start with! So all those KS rewards - at least for people's main characters - would not even be used. If you consider and think about it, by starting with more than the basic loadout and credits, many felt this would lessen the 'Elite' accomplishment in the long run

I know a fair few (myself included) even want to start in the Founder's World to have a good nose around, but then start again in a normal starter system. Admittedly I'd probably use the benefits on my second and third characters but, for the first, Sidewinder and 100cr all the way

 

[IAM GROOT]

Good analogy

I nearly missed the KS campaign and only got on board a month before the end but backed as much as I could, remembering all the summer holidays and time I spent playing on Elite back in the day

I personally feel when people backed on KS early they were putting their faith in DB and FD's ideas, skills, vision and hard work. With little or no information available, no videos around on youtube, and did not know whether the game would be even made, let alone what it would be like (X anyone?), it was their risk. So by taking that leap of faith and backing at that point, the rewards for that risk should not be repeated, nor the benefits be available for people backing later and knowing what they are putting their money behind. When FD made Alpha and Beta available in the shop once the KS period was over, people backing from then still get early access, and as we know more recently the 1/2 price ship insurance for Alpha backers... these are the rewards for backing E: D later.

Its a shame people didn't know or couldn't get on board at the KS time, but if you arrive at the station late, expect to miss the train

Saying that, it may be of interest for people who missed the KS period to know there is a thread elsewhere in the General Forum posted during that time discussing what starter ships & locations people would take. It turned out from the poll that most would be taking the starter Sidewinder and 100cr option regardless of how much they backed or 'could' start with! So all those KS rewards - at least for people's main characters - would not even be used. If you consider and think about it, by starting with more than the basic loadout and credits, many felt this would lessen the 'Elite' accomplishment in the long run

I know a fair few (myself included) even want to start in the Founder's World to have a good nose around, but then start again in a normal starter system. Admittedly I'd probably use the benefits on my second and third characters but, for the first, Sidewinder and 100cr all the way

Well said :smilie:

 

[IAM GROOT]

No it's not. It's like paying the full retail price of a new car when it already has 100,000 miles on it.

Any kick-starter perks are prime candidates for monetisation, there is no reason to not sell them, it actually makes terrible sense not to.

My guess is that most of the perks will become available to purchase.

Here IMO you are 100% wrong, think about it, if an individual or organisation signed up for a KS campaign for funding then after that campaign is finished they offer the same rewards they used to get their pledges for sale to anyone , then who is going to ever pledge as part of a KS campaign if they think they can get the same rewards later.

Plus its a kick in the teeth to all the people (myself included)........IMO

 

[tucker]

Be nice just to get the a T shirt though, but I would really love to get my hands on the premium box set. To go with my other box sets of elite.