Do nothing vampiric ninja SLF pilots stealing credits from CG turn in

[Alex Brentnall]

But you do get that sort of thing happening in real-life.

A truck driver will, for example, fill up with fuel and it'll be paid for by their company but the driver, himself, will get to keep the Nectar points and be able to trade them for stuff.

What happens to CBs and bounties in ED is a similar thing and is consistent with everything else that happens to all forms of income when you employ an NPC - they get reduced by whatever percentage your NPC gets.

The only mechanic "missing" is that your NPC doesn't get to cash-in some of their rewards as they really should.
Presumably (I haven't checked), if you earn Cr10m in CBs and your NPC takes, say, Cr1.2m of those bonds, when you cash the CBs in your NPCs earnings will increase by Cr1.2m but they won't get ranking in a CG as a result of that income.

My own NPC has probably "earned" around Cr5m in this weeks CG so that'd probably be enough to get her into the top 75% and also earn her another payment from the CG, itself, but I doubt that's going to happen.
I'd be impressed if it did, mind you.

If that is the response then fair enough, I'll accept that as "working as intended", but In that case I want 100% of the community goal payout for whichever tier I get in since the SLF pilot submits it themselves...

I'm also happy with the alternative where both the CG reward and CZ vouchers both have the cut taken away but 100% of the voucher counts towards the community goal tier.


It has to be either or. They can't be treated as separate and crew for both the CG contributions and CG reward. The logic is inconsistent.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Employees get a wage.
Independent contractors are something different.
Either way, Cmdr pays them out of pocket.
As such, the Cmdr should get full credit at the CG.
If I employ or sub someone, I, or my company as it may be, get/s the full credit for the work the entire company did.
You don't subtract your employees contribution, because it's not a profit calculation.
CG payout is based on % of total contribution.

For instance, McDonalds doesn't lose a portion of market share because they employ "x" workers.

edited for clarity

 

[Faybs]

But you do get that sort of thing happening in real-life.

A truck driver will, for example, fill up with fuel and it'll be paid for by their company but the driver, himself, will get to keep the Nectar points and be able to trade them for stuff.

What happens to CBs and bounties in ED is a similar thing and is consistent with everything else that happens to all forms of income when you employ an NPC - they get reduced by whatever percentage your NPC gets.

The only mechanic "missing" is that your NPC doesn't get to cash-in some of their rewards as they really should.
Presumably (I haven't checked), if you earn Cr10m in CBs and your NPC takes, say, Cr1.2m of those bonds, when you cash the CBs in your NPCs earnings will increase by Cr1.2m but they won't get ranking in a CG as a result of that income.

My own NPC has probably "earned" around Cr5m in this weeks CG so that'd probably be enough to get her into the top 75% and also earn her another payment from the CG, itself, but I doubt that's going to happen.
I'd be impressed if it did, mind you.

I suspect you're right, and what's happening in lore is that the pilot is cashing in their CG chips separately to the player. It would be nice if FDev added a bit of flavor by the player getting a message from the pilot after the CG ends, something along the lines of "Great CG, boss! I made it to top 50%, how about you?"

 

[oscarolim]

I see it as paid holidays. A very normal concept in Europe.

 

[GunnerBill]

If you're letting your SLF pilot soak up credits without doing anything to earn them, that's nobody's fault but your own.

And if you're not happy with what your SLF pilot earns, sack 'em.

A valid point.

Problem with SLF crew is that the payment mechanism is totally unrealistic.

Contractors generally get a fixed rate ($$$/day) and sometimes a $$$ bonus depending on certain criteria. The problem with hiring and firing is that after you've worked them up past Expert you are going to take a massive hit if, for example, you fire your Elite SLF pilot because you're going to a CG.

FD need to change the payment mechanism to reflect reality* and/or allow us to hire more experienced pilots ad-hoc.

* Contractors won't accept a pittance for a retainer as generally it's not their concern what work you give them therefore if you expect them to sit around indefinitely earning nothing then you'll have to accept they'll probably just walk.

 

[[VR] Dr Gentech]

If that is the response then fair enough, I'll accept that as "working as intended", but In that case I want 100% of the community goal payout for whichever tier I get in since the SLF pilot submits it themselves...

I'm also happy with the alternative where both the CG reward and CZ vouchers both have the cut taken away but 100% of the voucher counts towards the community goal tier.


It has to be either or. They can't be treated as separate and crew for both the CG contributions and CG reward. The logic is inconsistent.

CG payouts are not shared with the crew; the commander receives all of the CG payout.

 

[Alex Brentnall]

CG payouts are not shared with the crew; the commander receives all of the CG payout.

Really? I was pretty confident thats not how it currently works... That having been said I've not done a CG since 3.0 dropped...
Participated in this weeks one. Should be able to update tomorrow.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

I suspect you're right, and what's happening in lore is that the pilot is cashing in their CG chips separately to the player. It would be nice if FDev added a bit of flavor by the player getting a message from the pilot after the CG ends, something along the lines of "Great CG, boss! I made it to top 50%, how about you?"

That would suggest tiers achieved must be higher than Cmdr contributions.

 

[Bunkerkind Anni]

Really? I was pretty confident thats not how it currently works... That having been said I've not done a CG since 3.0 dropped...
Participated in this weeks one. Should be able to update tomorrow.

the npc crew already gets his share deducted when you turn in your contribution,
the payout at the CGs end goes completely to the players wallet.

my major issue with this system is -
that multicrew commanders get NOTHING that counts towards a CG,
and that NPC crews "wage" gets deducted before the commander gets it by default, and as such, their % does not only reduce income, but also slow down all three elite ranks of the player
50% of the combat XP, and whatever % they take from exploration and trading rank..

 

[galahad2069]

For example a fixed per week salary, paid up-front, based on rank, plus a percentage based on kills.

Yes, this^^, absolutely. How FDev could even think of implementing it otherwise is beyond me.

 

[Alex Brentnall]

It's very rare this happens and even rarer do I ever admit this so listen up everyone:

I was wrong!



I can categorically say that NPC crew do NOT take any cash from the CG reward. Therefore them not making any contribution towards the goal tiers kind of makes sense in that you (as a pilot/captain/whatever) have paid your crew in vouchers.



I'd still like this to change as the description for crew says "profit share" not "voucher share". It's a bit of an odd way of doing it as they take profits from the sale of cargo even when there are no profits (sell at loss) etc. Personally I agree it needs a revamp but am happy to admit I was totally wrong about crew taking a cut of CG rewards...
Arguably this could mean doing CGs are a solid moneymaker for anyone that has 2/3 high ranked crew-members taking cuts.