Do the Shard sites exist in EDO?

The short answer: no

Now you can find crystal shards in the bubble too - but small patches, not the big deposits we had in EDH
And last time i checked - Update4? no idea - they were bugged *(), giving only G1 materials.

*(i actually hope they were bugged and not removed as a source of top tier raws)
 
I think they don't know whether it is broken or not, because they don't play their own game that much. What we can say for sure, though, is that it was in this state at least from stage 2 of the alpha. At this point I have to assume that it is intentional (aka not broken, just sucks). There has been a long standing advice to stock up on raw mats in EDH while it is still there. Currently I don't see a reason to drop that advice.
 
It's pretty simple, are they meant to now be g1 dispensers rather than g5?

The question is sure simple enough, but we are talking about FDev. Zac and Sally only can convey what the devs tell them. There already are issues in the tracker, some even "confirmed" and voted on: https://issues.frontierstore.net/issue-detail/39844 . However, there also already was a "fix" for this particular bug: https://issues.frontierstore.net/issue-detail/34622

Apparently it is still there, at least in the form that was intended. Otherwise why mark it "fixed"? So again: I think they don't even know whether or not it is broken.
 

sallymorganmoore

Senior Community Manager : Elite Dangerous
Because they don't play their own game that much.
We try our best outside of the heavy loaded Mon-Fri that we're working on things in tandem with dev side on Elite, but when we can enjoy it in our free time to dig in from a direct player perspective, then we REALLY do flipping love it you know!
It's a big Galaxy out there! Can't say I've ever actually prioritised heading off to Shard Sites in my free time over my other favourite things to do though. Depends who you are. Great game though. I'm a fan.

It's pretty simple, are they meant to now be g1 dispensers rather than g5?

@Zac Cocken @sallymorganmoore
So to my knowledge, historically they should be dispensing G4s (If you had G5s then that's weird too, so let me know :)) so the fact that they're dispensing G1s is an issue I will chase up on or at least get clarified on any changes that may have happened in this instance. Glad it's more on our radar from the update in this thread from several of you, so thanks for the poke!

I think they don't even know whether or not it is broken.
Alrighty then, I can answer you too now if you like, seeing as here_it_comes stuck a lil' tag on me - Yep, we're aware that actually there are ongoing issues with Shard Sites within EDO. It's something currently under investigation and where we've made an attempt previously at tackling cases, we clearly have more work to do. I'll bump it up my list to chat about or at least provide an update on as soon as I can. Thanks for contributing!
 
So to my knowledge, historically they should be dispensing G4s (If you had G5s then that's weird too, so let me know :)) so the fact that they're dispensing G1s is an issue I will chase up on or at least get clarified on any changes that may have happened in this instance. Glad it's more on our radar from the update in this thread from several of you, so thanks for the poke!

They were dispensing the top tier Raw material specific for the planet they were being present on.

Cheers and thanks for looking into this, it would be nice to see it fixed
 
It's pretty simple, are they meant to now be g1 dispensers rather than g5?

@Zac Cocken @sallymorganmoore
So to my knowledge, historically they should be dispensing G4s (If you had G5s then that's weird too, so let me know :)) so the fact that they're dispensing G1s is an issue I will chase up on or at least get clarified on any changes that may have happened in this instance. Glad it's more on our radar from the update in this thread from several of you, so thanks for the poke!

Only Manufactured and Data have a G5.
Raw is only up to G4.

So...its literally impossible to find G5 Raw Mats, it does not exist ;)
 
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We try our best outside of the heavy loaded Mon-Fri that we're working on things in tandem with dev side on Elite, but when we can enjoy it in our free time to dig in from a direct player perspective, then we REALLY do flipping love it you know!
It's a big Galaxy out there! Can't say I've ever actually prioritised heading off to Shard Sites in my free time over my other favourite things to do though. Depends who you are. Great game though. I'm a fan.

Sally, YOUR work is much appreciated here, trust me. That's why I specifically addressed this in my second post, where I wrote that CMs can only convey as much as the developers tell them.

You see, if you - as a company - change things on purpose - i.e.: change code of your product to behave differently - you should also have an answer to a question like the one by OP. It is not about why you have not fixed it already, we all know that software has bugs, and we all should know that fixing it takes time. It is about why you don't answer the questions about intentions. Granted, OP's questions had the flaw about the G5, but we all know what he means: is it intentional that there are no higher tiers anymore, but only lower tier material for all kinds of nodules?

See, I know that part of Elite's charm is the lack of hand-holding the player, the need to socialize to get information about the various game aspects. I understand that this means you can't spill the beans immediately and come out and say how every flow in the game is working. But if there is a situation where people end up not knowing if something is a bug or a feature, it would be time to give a clear specification we can hold against the reality of the game-play. This problem here is not the only one, by the way. The various engineer unlock bugs fall into the same bracket.

It could be the case that the current spawn-system is intentional, that nodule-type SHOULD be meaningless, that only material percentage in the planet is randomizing the yield of those objects. This would be in contrast to the old system, where types had a meaning. And it would be fine, really. We just need to know it in order to be able to give proper feedback. As it is now, it looks like you - as a company - don't know how it actually should be.

If you do, please tell us how you intended the system to work. If it is hard to describe in abstract words - which it totally could be -, I'd suggest picking some example planets and tell us where you should find what kind of material for what type of nodule in what drop rate there. I am sure the community will be happy to deliver feedback on whether this is currently the case, or not. It would help us in knowing whether something is actually buggy or not, and it would help your developers quickly reproducing the error (if any).

If you don't know it, please say this as well, it is fine, too. It would help us to understand that you are still in the concept finding stage for this particular aspect, and it would give the community a chance to offer feedback in the thought process, just as with your well received "call for papers" in other topics (e.g. UI). Some of us actually prioritised heading off to Shard Sites in their free time, precisely because the lack of knowledge about the intention of this change drove them to do it. Therefore those players could give a better feedback on the mechanics than you can gather on your own.

So I see you wrote that you will clarify changes on this particular aspect, and I fully trust that you - of all - will manage to pull that off. However, I think that this procedure should be more ingrained in your company's communication strategy going forth: never let people wonder if something big that so obviously changed is intentional or not.

Again, thanks for your work, Sally. Without it, FDev would already have lost one customer. I guess this doesn't mean much to the company, but perhaps it means something to you.
 

sallymorganmoore

Senior Community Manager : Elite Dangerous
you should also have an answer to a question like the one by OP. It is not about why you have not fixed it already, we all know that software has bugs, and we all should know that fixing it takes time. It is about why you don't answer the questions about intentions.
I hope I did my best with this actually, once someone tagged me :) Sometimes we miss things as they're being spoken about in here because of everything else going on, but I'll always make sure to answer as much as possible and as quickly as poss too - hence I knew it was broken, so I replied as such (after being tagged so it pulled my head out of other areas of the day, haha!). If I can't answer stuff, I'll also say.

As it is now, it looks like you - as a company - don't know how it actually should be.
It's under investigation, as I said in my reply - The fact that there's a huge flurry of G1s now indicates something is up but we're looking into it. I can't actually elaborate further at the moment because it's all in midway stages but as soon as there's some kind of useful progress then one of us will run back with an update.

If you don't know it, please say this as well, it is fine, too
I do :) Often. I'll keep doing it!

So I see you wrote that you will clarify changes on this particular aspect, and I fully trust that you - of all - will manage to pull that off. However, I think that this procedure should be more ingrained in your company's communication strategy going forth: never let people wonder if something big that so obviously changed is intentional or not.
It will be, which is why it's happening right now :) It won't just stop - I can assure you.

Again, thanks for your work, Sally. Without it, FDev would already have lost one customer. I guess this doesn't mean much to the company, but perhaps it means something to you.
You're very welcome. It's lovely to have all of you continue to be passionate at this time and all kinds of feedback are very, very welcome. We'll only continue to get better for you all - promise.
 
So...its literally impossible to find G5 Raw Mats, it does not exist ;)
I know what you mean, but...
Have you ever checked your right panel? The one that shows your materials.
You would find certain raws listed as G5
Also Crystal Shards never dropped Selenium, which is a top tier Raw, but not in every book

Point is, Raws are complicated.
 
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