do you think?

[hilroy2]

do you think it is fair to have such a community here ?

what i mean is that the forums here really had a lot of things posted here.

but what i mean mostly is do you think it is fair that people post suggestions/things they want in elite dangerous ? the developpers know what they want for their game, and people posting here is like an irony/ bad joke because its the dev who choose their game

 

[hilroy2]

what i mean is some people annoys the forums trying to improve the game but , in fact we must like respect the game developpers because its their game lol...

and sumtimes when i see that i kinda like worry because is it normal that the game devs would have an interest of what the community wants ? or rather the game devs are not interested because they muchly want to do what they'd like, and that you know ?

 

[xmediawork]

Its really should be a mixture of what devs want and what the players want. If it was all about what the devs want then hardly anyone would ever buy the game thus ensuring the failure of their project. If it was all about what the players want then the devs might as well hollow out their souls now since it would be just another job for them instead of something they care about.

 

[Kosaro]

Devs already have a plan in place, but they are always taking feedback. Most of the suggestions on the forums won't be in the game, but they do read over them and every once in a while they'll find something cool that they haven't thought of and add it in the game.

During the testing period the forums had a large influence on where the games went. The devs hadn't decided on their ideas yet and the community have helped them make the right choices.

 

[Draxxen]

I think the best games are where the developers listen to their community of players when it comes to implementing new elements to make sure they keep the game interesting for those who actually play the game.

 

[Troa Barton]

I get what you're going for but for the same reason they're selling the game on steam they need to appeal to their customers.
developers that don't listen to their player base are often left with a small pool.
we are a free thinktank here on the forums and that's an invaluable asset.
if they decide to tap into it or not is another story.

 

[jpaulwilson1982]

It's all about balance, hilroy. If Frontier does everything their fans suggest, the game wouldn't even be playable. If Frontier completely ignored fans, their community of fans would eventually turn against them, and in this case the game would be ruined.

It's that balance, FD's ability to reasonably compromise, that makes me like Elite and FD so much. For instance, you take a game like the 2013 reboot of SimCity; Maxis and EA only cared about making money. Now, the game's forums appear to be not moderated, and many things people asked for were never even acknowledge, let alone implemented into the game. Now Maxis has been busted up and the next SimCity either may not exist or it may take years before another SimCity is made. On one hand, it's sad because I loved the SC franchise; but on the other hand, Maxis and EA ruined the franchise, selling a product that did not work as advertised. It didn't even work as well as the first SimCity, so failure for Maxis was inevitable. I just wish EA would go away and stop buying into successful franchises and "improving" them.

Back on topic; companies have to listen to their customers. When they don't listen, they can't adapt. When anything can't adapt, it dies. Rule of life.

 

[hilroy2]

It's all about balance, hilroy. If Frontier does everything their fans suggest, the game wouldn't even be playable. If Frontier completely ignored fans, their community of fans would eventually turn against them, and in this case the game would be ruined.

It's that balance, FD's ability to reasonably compromise, that makes me like Elite and FD so much. For instance, you take a game like the 2013 reboot of SimCity; Maxis and EA only cared about making money. Now, the game's forums appear to be not moderated, and many things people asked for were never even acknowledge, let alone implemented into the game. Now Maxis has been busted up and the next SimCity either may not exist or it may take years before another SimCity is made. On one hand, it's sad because I loved the SC franchise; but on the other hand, Maxis and EA ruined the franchise, selling a product that did not work as advertised. It didn't even work as well as the first SimCity, so failure for Maxis was inevitable. I just wish EA would go away and stop buying into successful franchises and "improving" them.

Back on topic; companies have to listen to their customers. When they don't listen, they can't adapt. When anything can't adapt, it dies. Rule of life.

great argument. btw we all think EA is a big doomy thing, but actualy they come from far, they were really a quality company in the 90s, their name behind classics if i recall

 

[GluttonyFang]

do you think it is fair to have such a community here ?

what i mean is that the forums here really had a lot of things posted here.

but what i mean mostly is do you think it is fair that people post suggestions/things they want in elite dangerous ? the developpers know what they want for their game, and people posting here is like an irony/ bad joke because its the dev who choose their game

Well, the Devs made this game to make money. To do that you need to appeal to a large audience. Give the consumers what they want is the essence, but that is unknown unless you interact with the consumers. Preventing consumers from having the right to voice their opinion about the products they purchased...?

What?

 

[hilroy2]

good point, but what i mean is frontier
doesnt have that mentality.

every companies nowadays
would fight to death only to
have the next rights to
produce the next call of
duty game, just b'cause
they sjust want to
gain all the reputation
and all the fame ,
and money that comes
with that.

but frontier doesnt seems
to think this way....
actually they want to make
elite dangerous because its
the game they ''dreamt'' of
playing. you see, thats
different... and maybe
frontier dev would just
not want to put any
suggestion on the forums
into their game, because
let say most of the community
here think that elite dangerous
should be like the next
most popular matchmaking
shooting game that everyone
will play. so maybe the community
here always ask for silly suggestions,
thinking that this game is suposed to be
a silly matchmaking MMO thang; a silly
thing that you pay real money for
DLCs and all that ...

 

[Jenner]

If Frontier didn't want input then they wouldn't have had the Design Decision Forum, nor would they have the current Suggestion forum.

Watch some of the YouTube videos that Frontier has put out. David has praised the impact that the DDF has had on development several times, in particular the inclusion of Super Cruise as a direct result of backer feedback.

 

[hilroy2]

and its what i think it sucks. elite dangerous has shifted a lot of its decisions for silly DLCs and others things that others games do ( mostly for real life money ). like adding skins, or decals, or ingame goods for additional real life money...

and it sucks because its all the mmo mentality. into contributing for that game i expected it to be the sequel to the previous ones, something nice... not an "online phenomenon" thing breathing on updates to survive..

 

[Arsen Cross]

do you think it is fair to have such a community here ?

what i mean is that the forums here really had a lot of things posted here.

but what i mean mostly is do you think it is fair that people post suggestions/things they want in elite dangerous ? the developpers know what they want for their game, and people posting here is like an irony/ bad joke because its the dev who choose their game

what i mean is some people annoys the forums trying to improve the game but , in fact we must like respect the game developpers because its their game lol...

and sumtimes when i see that i kinda like worry because is it normal that the game devs would have an interest of what the community wants ? or rather the game devs are not interested because they muchly want to do what they'd like, and that you know ?

great argument. btw we all think EA is a big doomy thing, but actualy they come from far, they were really a quality company in the 90s, their name behind classics if i recall

good point, but what i mean is frontier
doesnt have that mentality.

every companies nowadays
would fight to death only to
have the next rights to
produce the next call of
duty game, just b'cause
they sjust want to
gain all the reputation
and all the fame ,
and money that comes
with that.

but frontier doesnt seems
to think this way....
actually they want to make
elite dangerous because its
the game they ''dreamt'' of
playing. you see, thats
different... and maybe
frontier dev would just
not want to put any
suggestion on the forums
into their game, because
let say most of the community
here think that elite dangerous
should be like the next
most popular matchmaking
shooting game that everyone
will play. so maybe the community
here always ask for silly suggestions,
thinking that this game is suposed to be
a silly matchmaking MMO thang; a silly
thing that you pay real money for
DLCs and all that ...

and its what i think it sucks. elite dangerous has shifted a lot of its decisions for silly DLCs and others things that others games do ( mostly for real life money ). like adding skins, or decals, or ingame goods for additional real life money...

and it sucks because its all the mmo mentality. into contributing for that game i expected it to be the sequel to the previous ones, something nice... not an "online phenomenon" thing breathing on updates to survive..

Frontier is not the problem. The problem with our community is that there are a lot of people who follow your mindset and feel the need to belittle peoples ideas and desires on the grounds of it being Frontiers game, instead of providing proper feedback on why an idea is good or bad. This has gone down as of late, but when I started just after launch, it was all the rage. I am not saying you do this, I'm just outlining what happens a lot with people who share your opinion.

No matter what your opinion is, Frontier is a business and they will acknowledge the feedback from their customer base. The trick is that the community has to trust Frontier to do what's right for the game whether it's implementing, ignoring or exploring an idea. Aligning yourself to what could be described as a cultist mentality "This didn't come from Father Frontier! KILL IT WITH FIRE!" is not worth your time. You will never succeed, and if you do - congratulations because you probably just killed the game.

My suggestion is that you adopt a mindset of collaboration to help shape and influence the ideas presented. I say this because if you want to affect what Frontier does with community feedback, that's what you have to do. Being a willy-billy die hard doesn't really help anything.

 

[hilroy2]

pirates never collaborate with the common of mortals

 

[Jukelo]

Frontier created these forums, along with a section for suggestions.
So according to your logic , as Frontier are making the game they want the way they want (which is obviously a fallacy, when you have shareholders you have to at least try and strike a balance between what you want and what the market wants)... well what they want it obviously to take feedback from the community.
If you don't like the fact people discuss things and moan and offer criticism and suggestions, maybe North Korea would be more to your liking.

 

[Riedquat]

maybe North Korea would be more to your liking.

Hmm, I wonder what Elite would be like if it was made by a North Korean Dev team...

 

[Valethar]

Hmm, I wonder what Elite would be like if it was made by a North Korean Dev team...

Everyone would have to fly the same ship as Kim Jong-Derp. All commodities would cost the same, and only be available for purchase from the government. The GaffeNet news would only run articles about faked weapons testing, how awesome Kim Jong-Derp is, and how all of the other factions are capitalist pigs that are conspiring against them.

 

[hanks01]

and its what i think it sucks. elite dangerous has shifted a lot of its decisions for silly DLCs and others things that others games do ( mostly for real life money ). like adding skins, or decals, or ingame goods for additional real life money...

and it sucks because its all the mmo mentality. into contributing for that game i expected it to be the sequel to the previous ones, something nice... not an "online phenomenon" thing breathing on updates to survive..

Cosmetic DLC is a standard practise across all games, online or not. They work because they don't change the experience of the gameplay, give the developer added income (especially useful for a constantly improving and changing game) and give those who want to further show support for the game an avenue to show it.

Many developers and publishers use player feedback for adjusting their existing games, fix bugs, add features and improve sequels. They can also generally tell the difference between a good idea and a crazy one. If player feedback wasn't important than no games would ever have public beta testing.

 

[Titler]

Frontier is in the Entertainment Business. If the public aren't entertained, they won't be in business at all. Therefore asking what the public enjoys is part of that business. The end.

 

[CMDR DoubleSkulls]

but what i mean mostly is do you think it is fair that people post suggestions/things they want in elite dangerous ? the developpers know what they want for their game, and people posting here is like an irony/ bad joke because its the dev who choose their game

One of the key things around any software development is getting good feedback loops from the users to help make the product better. That doesn't mean you ignore your internal teams and strategic goals, but listening to users is a really good way of getting a better product. Many software companies have to engage in expensive market research to try and work out what their customers want - FD get it for free