Does anyone remember when?

[commander craigorious]

Elite became elite and dangerous. I been around the block with PCs at the start in the 70"s brought my 1st home PC a "Sinclair" I still have it with the games I just need to get a tape recorder and power adapter and the right screen, I hope to kick start the old thing. BACK TO THE QUESTION in about the 80's the space game Elite came on the shelves that's when I first played the game. It was almost impossible to land your ship through the slot in the station. Just wire graphics (fly by wire). Did that game develop into the elite and dangerous as we know it now?

Cmdr CC

 

[Ydiss]

It was released late 2014 as Elite Dangerous following a successful Kickstarter campaign to raise funds for its development. ED is the sequel to Elite but it didn't "become Elite" at any point in time; it's an entirely different IP than the original Elite and was made by a different company (David Braben has been involved in the development of all Elite titles, albeit in a different role).

Elite (video game) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[commander craigorious]

thanks Stealth boy .. ED even some of the stations look and the concept was so much the same as Elite how be it far more simplistic .. Maybe that's where the idea first originated? CC

 

[commander craigorious]

thanks Stealth boy .. ED even some of the stations look and the concept was so much the same as Elite how be it far more simplistic .. Maybe that's where the idea first originated? CC

Looked at the Wikipedia attached .. thats it. CC

 

[Hooplah]

There were a few versions along the way then an 18 year wait before Elite Dangerous came along.
Elite Game Versions

 

[Frankymole]

I played Elite on the Sinclair Spectrum, though it had been available on the BBC microcomputer a year earlier (1984). In the 1990s I got Frontier Elite II and Frontier First Encounters (Elite 3) on CD-ROM, though eventually used updated/bug-fixed versions on Windows from the internet.
Still own the 1985 cassette tape and packaging (including Lenslock(TM) security device, ship identification poster, and Dark Wheel novella).

 

[Riverside]

I played as a teenager on the family BBC model B (with disk drive!), filled out the card that came in the box when I got to Elite & the Acornsoft badge I won is my avatar on this forum. I didn't play FE2 or FFE anything like as much but I continued to play Elite, Elite+ and latterly Oolite on & off until Elite Dangerous released (I bought ED in January 2015 once I had upgraded my PC enough to play it) having lurked here for years (and alt.fan.elite before that) prior to registering an account, watching it's development progress kickstarter.

Currently have a bit over 16,000 hours in ED, and since the split late last year I play both Live (Odyssey) and Legacy. ED has become by far my favourite version of the Elite Franchise, I really like the flight model and Stellar Forge is a work of art imo.

 

[TheJebblue]

I never played the original ED though I do still have my Timex Sinclair 1000 with 16K expansion module too. I used to play Starflight a lot. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starflight

 

[Phoenix_Dfire]

It was released late 2014 as Elite Dangerous following a successful Kickstarter campaign to raise funds for its development. It's an entirely different IP than the original Elite.

Elite (video game) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Well, technically not. Elite Dangerous is Elite IV.

Elite II was Frontier. Elite III was Frontier: First Encounters. However, FFE led to law suits between the original programmers and one of the reasons of the long delay between First Encounters and Elite: Dangerous. It’s also allegedly why not all the ships in the original elite are in elite dangerous and some of the lore from the original game is ignored. (Furry Felines anyone?)

The current storyline in elite Dangerous is really a re-imagination of the events in First Encounters.

 

[Ydiss]

Well, technically not. Elite Dangerous is Elite IV.

Elite II was Frontier. Elite III was Frontier: First Encounters. However, FFE led to law suits between the original programmers and one of the reasons of the long delay between First Encounters and Elite: Dangerous. It’s also allegedly why not all the ships in the original elite are in elite dangerous and some of the lore from the original game is ignored. (Furry Felines anyone?)

The current storyline in elite Dangerous is really a re-imagination of the events in First Encounters.

I was referring to the last line in the op comment. Elite dangerous never developed "from" Elite. It's not the same IP.

 

[Phoenix_Dfire]

I was referring to the last line in the op comment. Elite dangerous never developed "from" Elite. It's not the same IP.

I think David Braben would dispute that!

 

[Ydiss]

I think David Braben would dispute that!

I'm pretty sure he wouldn't.

Elite: Dangerous pen-and-paper RPG stymied by intellectual property dispute

Complaint alleges infringement of 1984 Elite game’s copyright.

arstechnica.com

They're separate IPs and that article at least demonstrates that. Frontier Developments did not create Elite. There's a whole big gap between the two products coming into life, including the sequels.

ED is the sequel to Elite but it's not the same IP and was not "developed from" it. They're separate IPs, different companies created them and there are all sorts of intricasies to the ownership of both IPs, partly and wholly. Not at any point in history did Elite "become" Elite Dangerous. Which is what I thought the OP was asking.

I would edit my post in response to the OP to at least say "they are sequels but..." as I think I misunderstood what they were asking, maybe. What I thought they were asking was when Elite "became" Elite Dangerous, which it never did (but I thought they'd at least like to know when Elite Dangerous was released, as that's the only actual answer to "when it became..." anything). To be fair to myself though, it's a confusing question.

 

[Fish172]

Maybe second cousins

 

[SlickPBW]

Yep, I also played the original ‘84 Elite, and loved it, while in college.

Drop by Lave & Leesti if you’d like a trip down memory lane.

 

[Fish172]

Oh yes, not forgetting Reidquat

 

[Phoenix_Dfire]

I'm pretty sure he wouldn't.

Elite: Dangerous pen-and-paper RPG stymied by intellectual property dispute

Complaint alleges infringement of 1984 Elite game’s copyright.

arstechnica.com

They're separate IPs and that article at least demonstrates that. Frontier Developments did not create Elite. There's a whole big gap between the two products coming into life, including the sequels.

ED is the sequel to Elite but it's not the same IP and was not "developed from" it. They're separate IPs, different companies created them and there are all sorts of intricasies to the ownership of both IPs, partly and wholly. Not at any point in history did Elite "become" Elite Dangerous. Which is what I thought the OP was asking.

I would edit my post in response to the OP to at least say "they are sequels but..." as I think I misunderstood what they were asking, maybe. What I thought they were asking was when Elite "became" Elite Dangerous, which it never did (but I thought they'd at least like to know when Elite Dangerous was released, as that's the only actual answer to "when it became..." anything). To be fair to myself though, it's a confusing question.

If they are separate IPs? Then why hasn't Acornsoft done a sequel? Because as David Braben has said on several occasions that Elite Dangerous is a sequel to elite. The guniness book of record has Elite in it as the longest running franchise, from Elite to Elite: Dangerous. And remember the issues I pointed out in my last post around the release of FFE? Well, that's still going on, that's why poor Jon and Oliver from Spidermind games got caught up with it.

 

[amigacooke]

FRONTIER TO BUY £5M ELITE RIGHTS​

I wonder why Frontier needed to acquire the rights if it’s a different IP?

 

[Alec Turner]

IP means intellectual property right? Elite: Dangerous is the same IP as the original Elite, still owned by David Braben who is, or rather was until recently, the CEO of Frontier Developments, and who bought co-developer Ian Bell's rights to the original property (the exact history is a bit more muddy than that but that's the gist of it). It's obviously different software, now based on Frontier's in-house Cobra game engine, but intellectually the same.

 

[amigacooke]

IP means intellectual property right? Elite: Dangerous is the same IP as the original Elite, still owned by David Braben.

I don’t think so, Frontier paid DB (and others) to acquire the rights.

 

[Alec Turner]

I don’t think so, Frontier paid DB (and others) to acquire the rights.

Technically you're probably right - I was just trying to make the point that ED still belongs (in some sense of the word) to the same David Braben who co-wrote the original 1984 Elite. It's the same guy, the same IP. It's not like Frontier is some new company who took the idea of "Elite" from someone else and developed their own game ... it's the same ongoing IP as the original game that the OP was asking about.