Powerplay Does Frontier want us to all 5c each other?

[yul7896]

We can see that Power play is moving into a new phase. There are little to no profitable systems left that aren't already occupied. Many Powers run structural deficits, and cannot stay out of Turmoil if they are undermined.

So I am wondering, since Frontier hasn't said anything about 5c, and since there is so much of it going around and it's so imbalanced, do you fine folks of the Frontier forum community think that FDev expected 5c, and think it is a natural part of Power play? Do you think Frontier views 5c as 'fair play'?

 

[Lobo Czarniann]

If I understand what your saying, I believe that power play should be restricted to open play only. If players want to go private or solo, it should be pve and have no affect on the power play at all. How can we stop ships from undermining, etc... When they hide in solo and private

 

[MottiKhan]

If I understand what your saying, I believe that power play should be restricted to open play only. If players want to go private or solo, it should be pve and have no affect on the power play at all. How can we stop ships from undermining, etc... When they hide in solo and private

I'm good with that as long as we still get our merits. It would be super easy to grind 6000 in a day if we weren't hurting our power. I'd rather not waste it, so I take extra time and effort to deliver or fight where needed. If merits only counted in open, I would become one of the 5c, just for grins.

 

[truecut]

Preparation and Expansion = PvP
Control = PvP and PvE

 

[yul7896]

If I understand what your saying, I believe that power play should be restricted to open play only. If players want to go private or solo, it should be pve and have no affect on the power play at all. How can we stop ships from undermining, etc... When they hide in solo and private

No, I'm not talking about Open/Solo/PG. I am referring to 5th column activities. It is clear now that several Powers are using 5th column to damage their enemies. So my question is do people think FDev saw this coming? Does Frontier expect people to join Powers solely for the purpose of hurting that Power?

 

[Banana's_Are_Good_For_You]

No, I'm not talking about Open/Solo/PG. I am referring to 5th column activities. It is clear now that several Powers are using 5th column to damage their enemies. So my question is do people think FDev saw this coming? Does Frontier expect people to join Powers solely for the purpose of hurting that Power?

They said they were aware of it, they haven't done anything against it at this time.
Most players will play the game purely on helping their power but there will always be a minority who will try and use unorthodox methods.

So, yeah, they saw it coming.
And no, they expect the vast majority to play the game as intended and a small majority to work the system as such. And, to be fair, every game has these types of players, some will want to break the game, others may dip in and out if it's viable, some may just have no clue what it's all about.
I don't expect people would join to just 5C unless mindless sheep and told to, but it is something they may consider doing if they get bored...or just those who are deviant by nature and go against the grain every time.
Humans really....

 

[Agony_Aunt]

I don't think FD support 5C or are against it. I think they are mainly interested to watch how it goes and what happens, especially now things have reached a new stage of the game.

I find it interesting from an observer perspective.

 

[badtrip]

If I understand what your saying, I believe that power play should be restricted to open play only. If players want to go private or solo, it should be pve and have no affect on the power play at all. How can we stop ships from undermining, etc... When they hide in solo and private

Powerplay is also OK when the player plays as he should against the NPC's.
You cant ban them from playing againt the NPC's. Its their own right.
BTW, some players r not good pvp'ers... They may not want to get inside hostile territory and get killed by a cmdr.

 

[yul7896]

I don't think FD support 5C or are against it. I think they are mainly interested to watch how it goes and what happens, especially now things have reached a new stage of the game.

I find it interesting from an observer perspective.

Yes, I think it is interesting as well. 5th columning is definitely something that happens IRL, so it should be in the game, but I think it is really underhanded, but more importantly completely out of balance. It only takes a few 5c'rs to counter the efforts of hundreds.

I started thinking about FDev anticipating 5c with the game design, since PP is moving into this new phase with weaponized expansions. These expansions inside of other Power's space is surely something Frontier thought of, and planned for. Combined with 5c, a weaponized expansion can completely change the landscape of PP.

 

[withnail]

I find 5C a real turn off.

PP can be a grind and to spend a considerable amount of time on your power only to have it cocked up by a couple of players in a private group or solo is very frustrating.

 

[xDreadnoughtx]

As long as the numbers playing don't nosedive FD will not do a thing. They do not care enough about real colour and depth.

There is obviously a great deal of talk re 5C.

I consider most of the 5C strategies oddly valid, but the scale which the PP mechanics allow players to enact 5C is just hypermoronic.

The one that really gets under my skin is 5C prep with subsequent expansion. It just makes no sense whatsoever.

Whilst I am aware of some seemingly unsavoury moves amongst some PP player groups to manipulate PP in ways I think are outside what I would call the spirit of the game, we must acknowledge they are being forced into it through the limitations of what FD landed us with.

My interest is waning. It's becoming a decidedly dull experience as more and more of the effective strategies are understood and exhausted.

Speaking as someone who has been pledged to Winters since the beginning I see less and less of the fundamental ethics of that power showing through in what is done by its players. PP is losing any soul it had. FD don't allow us to collectively actually do anything of consequence.

It has all become a bit of a urinal contest to see which organised player groups/leaders can land a sucker punch on another, and therefore we are where we are. Lots of egos and people willing to make the moves that if they are honest are actions that can't generate much internal pride.

Even I have been guilty of thinking about resorting to this and I feel pretty filthy for doing so. I am just very glad that I have not acted on those thoughts.

Atb

 

[Brienne]

Frontier didn't expect one main thing with Powerplay : 5th column.

By the way, Powerplay mechanics relies on trucking. No matter it's in space, it's just truccking.
It's boring. Yes, Elite can be boring.
They made a boring game. "Buy our boring game, it's cool"

Ok PP is a wip, we can admit that. But Frontier doesn't work on PP, because Horizons.
So boring Powerplay is a "stand by" project.

 

[Antoniius]

If I understand what your saying, I believe that power play should be restricted to open play only. If players want to go private or solo, it should be pve and have no affect on the power play at all. How can we stop ships from undermining, etc... When they hide in solo and private

You cannot stop ships from undermining anyway, unless they are in open space.
PP-related combat zones to undermine Hudson or Archon are istanced, so you cannot prevent it anyway.
5C needs to be stopped via regular rules, not by "tricks"

 

[geoffrey.hdt]

"Does Frontier want us to all 5c each other?"
Short answer: yes, or as they say "Working as intended".
Elite : Deal_with_it

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Frontier didn't expect one main thing with Powerplay : 5th column.

Wrong, they answered "Working as intended".
And for those who don't believe it, have you ever wondered why the Dev talks have never mentioned any concerns and potential solutions / future changes regarding 5th C?

 

[xondk]

5th column is unfortunately a tactic that is entirely player created, meaning that there's no real way to get around it with mechanics, should there be? not sure, but as it stands it seems silly to allow nomination of negative systems when there is clearly going to be a loss in them, maybe if they had another sort of advantage that would make the loss make sense, but they don't so yeah..no clue.

 

[Ha11ywood]

Powerplay is also OK when the player plays as he should against the NPC's.
You cant ban them from playing againt the NPC's. Its their own right.
BTW, some players r not good pvp'ers... They may not want to get inside hostile territory and get killed by a cmdr.

My stance is that when you pledge to a Power, you are saying you wish to participate in PvP on a very large scale and you are identifying yourself as a Military Combatant. If a CMDR does not want to put his life on the line, then perhaps he should not pledge at all.

 

[Terry Bruge-Hiplo]

5c wouldn't be so bad if you could stay pledged to your power while doing it. Do I have to join Hudson to support Delaine? That just seems daft, if that's really how they intended it to be (which I have to doubt, for that reason).

 

[geoffrey.hdt]

5c wouldn't be so bad if you could stay pledged to your power while doing it. Do I have to join Hudson to support Delaine? That just seems daft, if that's really how they intended it to be (which I have to doubt, for that reason).

+rep for your banner, I love it!
Though you should update the link to the Archon thread on ED forum.

As for defecting to your another Power to help yours, I also doubt FD really planned that initially but am 100% sure they are fine with that.
I also wish more people would consider this option rather than quitting Power Play out of frustration...

 

[Terry Bruge-Hiplo]

+rep for your banner, I love it!
Though you should update the link to the Archon thread on ED forum.

As for defecting to your another Power to help yours, I also doubt FD really planned that initially but am 100% sure they are fine with that.
I also wish more people would consider this option rather than quitting Power Play out of frustration...

Cheers link should be fixed now too.

Yeah, I don't see why they'd see it as a problem, or impermissible under the current rules. It's gotta be a difficult task trying to find a balance for solo and open players. Personally I'd be ok with PP being limited to open for reasons already stated, but that seems like it's probably not gonna happen. Alas.

 

[yul7896]

Cheers link should be fixed now too.

Yeah, I don't see why they'd see it as a problem, or impermissible under the current rules. It's gotta be a difficult task trying to find a balance for solo and open players. Personally I'd be ok with PP being limited to open for reasons already stated, but that seems like it's probably not gonna happen. Alas.

At least some incentive to play in Open...

I started this thread because I was honestly wondering if 5c could've been considered and somewhat planned for in game design. If the devs thought of it before it happened, maybe they would've put something in to balance it better?

With the burgeoning idea of weaponized expansions, combined with 5c, I think Power play is about to get a lot more interesting.