Doing missions does nothing for your Rank

[Ben Ryder]

So it seems teh new mission system is a bit naff.

Waiting to hear the good bit.. so please let us all know wha's good about them.

The bad bits are easy to see.

The rank are too high.

Eg you need to be elite trader to do an 83k trading mission... but up until now you don't get you're smuggling stats added to your trade stats. SO no matter how good a smuggler you are a trader who has shipped one tonne of tea is already ahead of you because your past smuggling is ignored. And whey would a truly minted Elite trader bother with a 83k smuggling mission?

Next up doing such missions does nothing to increase rankings but grinding does... So in the above case mister black ops covert specialist is actually a man in a van doing local milk runs and the crack stealth ninja pilot living life on the edge never gets a job doing what they are good at?!


So the milk man gets awarded Elite Status for years of services and the chap who has run countless covert and deadly missions is ranked Harmless or some such?

Am I missing something?

Not a taunting thread just looking for the bit I might have missed.

 

[bajab]

You could be right but I am really confused. I have only been playing for a week or two and absolutely suck at dogfighting, but the best/fastest way I have seen to make money is the missions.

Right off the bat I was seeing huge payouts (100k cr) for running one or two tons of slaves or narcotics. I am now running a Cobra Mark III, and still only harmless and mostly aimless, but I am Merchant (while doing very few pure 'trade-runs'). I sometimes get TWO 80k cr+ missions to the same place with cargo space to spare for normal trade.

(The absolute best was when I was hanging around a port looking at outfitting and managed to pick up five missions to the same port totalling nearly 300k cr - but this was a freak that has not even come close to happening again.)

But anyway, if the quantity of items traded factor in achieving rank, it makes sense to do missions until you can afford a bigger ship to carry more (and then rise through the ranks a lot faster).

If it is the number of trips you make, then just fill your spare space up with anything on each mission and earn money as well as rank.

If it is profit through trade that has the biggest affect on rank, then once again, getting a bigger ship ASAP will mean earning rank a lot faster later.

I am playing in solo or a private group, if that makes any difference, but at the moment, missions are pretty much all I am doing in order to afford bigger and better.

 

[tomalus]

FD logic, you have to be Donald Trump to deliver 5t of bananas from London to New York.

 

[Bran Tse Mallory]

Seems you forgot that crime dosn't pay!

 

[Colonel North]

So it seems teh new mission system is a bit naff.

Waiting to hear the good bit.. so please let us all know wha's good about them.

The bad bits are easy to see.

The rank are too high.

Eg you need to be elite trader to do an 83k trading mission... but up until now you don't get you're smuggling stats added to your trade stats. SO no matter how good a smuggler you are a trader who has shipped one tonne of tea is already ahead of you because your past smuggling is ignored. And whey would a truly minted Elite trader bother with a 83k smuggling mission?

Next up doing such missions does nothing to increase rankings but grinding does... So in the above case mister black ops covert specialist is actually a man in a van doing local milk runs and the crack stealth ninja pilot living life on the edge never gets a job doing what they are good at?!


So the milk man gets awarded Elite Status for years of services and the chap who has run countless covert and deadly missions is ranked Harmless or some such?

Am I missing something?

Not a taunting thread just looking for the bit I might have missed.

In order to qualify for the missions you have to be at a stage in the game where you don't need or want to do them.

 

[M. Grey]

Quite sure doing missions improves your rank progression. Been doing missions the last two weeks to progress in naval ranks and I notice that I make progress in the pilot federation ranks. Not sure if it is the missions or the actions though.
I get smuggling and delivery missions reguraly worth up to 150K (Broker atm).

 

[eyleyro]

Totally agree, trying to rank up and so many missions are requiring me to be elite explorer or combat and are inaccessible. By the time I get to Elite I'll be on the verge of considering it completed and uninstalling, so way too late.

 

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[M. Grey]

Maybe I get it wrong but isn't a profit of 40.055 CR for hauling 5t Scrap good?
That's 8011 CR/t for a commodity with a "Galactic Average Price" of 96 CR.

 

[Metalstardust]

I just did a Federation rank mission. We are having a party and want some elicit goods. I thought maybe they want Narcotics no.................................... we need 31 tons of Grain. Wow what will you make with the grain????? Beer or Bread. Party on dudes.

 

[JesusOnEez]

Maybe I get it wrong but isn't a profit of 40.055 CR for hauling 5t Scrap good?
That's 8011 CR/t for a commodity with a "Galactic Average Price" of 96 CR.

In and of itself it is, but if you're Elite in trading, then you're already likely to have millions of credits and this mission is not worth it. You'd make more filling your T9 or Anaconda with something and trading normally. This is a great mission for a starter Sidewinder, not an Elite trader, and that's the point.

 

[Cmdr_Halfmead]

It does seem atm. that missions are a bit whacked in regard to rank at least, doing the 'charity' missions for minor empire factions gives you rank points (arrow up). But delivering cargo/communiques does not give arrow up with Empire?? at least for me.
If you're just starting out in Sidey or just got cobra, then doing those cargo runs is a very good income and if you couple it with basic/intermediate discovery scans that also adds up

Btw: I actually like that we don't just get our ranks thrown at us, but that they require some work...i do NOT like that said ranks are more or less useless. Getting to baron is kinda easy still and then you can get your Clipper/Dropship, but after that is rather pointless.
We shouldn't really be able to rank up to max in all factions as well, i doubt that would be accepted under normal cicumstances

 

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[M. Grey]

In and of itself it is, but if you're Elite in trading, then you're already likely to have millions of credits and this mission is not worth it. You'd make more filling your T9 or Anaconda with something and trading normally. This is a great mission for a starter Sidewinder, not an Elite trader, and that's the point.

Nothing to agrue about making more profit or not needing these misssion once you're an Elite trader.
I just "judged" the mission and think that it's "ok". At least for small ships it pays off.
But I'd expect an Elite training mission of a different type too, like haul 400t of scrap for maybe 20 Mio.

 

[ozrix84]

Frontier apparently came with very convincing reasons that made them implement it that way.
Hard to tell. At least I couldn't come up with any logical reason.

Well, the missions are generated by the computer, and the algorithms are rough around the edges. The devs apparently took the base code for the missions and scaled it up for Elite ranks without chopping off the low end.

 

[Arry]

So it seems teh new mission system is a bit naff.

Waiting to hear the good bit.. so please let us all know wha's good about them.

The bad bits are easy to see.

The rank are too high.

Eg you need to be elite trader to do an 83k trading mission... but up until now you don't get you're smuggling stats added to your trade stats. SO no matter how good a smuggler you are a trader who has shipped one tonne of tea is already ahead of you because your past smuggling is ignored. And whey would a truly minted Elite trader bother with a 83k smuggling mission?

Next up doing such missions does nothing to increase rankings but grinding does... So in the above case mister black ops covert specialist is actually a man in a van doing local milk runs and the crack stealth ninja pilot living life on the edge never gets a job doing what they are good at?!


So the milk man gets awarded Elite Status for years of services and the chap who has run countless covert and deadly missions is ranked Harmless or some such?

Am I missing something?

Not a taunting thread just looking for the bit I might have missed.

Afternoon Ben,
ranking missions? You? That lone rouge kind of guy, nah, you must be asking this for a friend. Err... are you at a HQ, because I have found HQ missions are just donation missions, all the others are for Elite ranks only, FD know about this little bug. I find, move 1 maybe 2 system jumps away, and everything is fine. Have fun Chum.

 

[Lupin]

A little confused here.
Missions contributing to rank in Combat, Trading and Exploring vs. Contributing to getting federation or Imperial rank missions.

As far as I know trading missions add to trading rank and combat missions add to combat rating. But does smuggling missions add to trade rank?
And at the moment we do not have ANY exploring missions (Go get X item from X system is cleaning up not exploring), just mining. So where do mining add to ranks?

This topic on rank missions makes very interesting reading:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=165258

 

[M. Grey]

I think the get "Black Box, Ancient Artefact, Experimental Chemicals,..." missions add to exploring since they require an explorer rank.

Missions work for in two ways here I think. They add to your pilots federation ranks and since you gain reputation they conrtibute to federation or imperial rank missions.

 

[bajab]

262k credits on Harmless, Mostly Aimless and Merchant rank.

I've been trying to make money and rep by doing 'pure' trading between stations and it is getting me nowhere, then a mission like this comes up and I can't see the point in pure trading until I have a huge ship.

 

[Whiterose]

The rank for missions does appear totally random, I got more doing one at mostly aimless than I did for one at Pioneer. I am out exploring at the moment and my rank is dropping faster than a es drawers.