Dolby Atmos.

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Was just browsing the apps store on my console, and this piqued my interest.

It claims to "enhance" audio in games?

Was wondering if anyone could tell me more, especially, about Elite.
 

[VR] Garfs

[VR] Garfs
I'm not sure many if any games currently support atmos - could be wrong though

You can try the bugs demo on x1x that showcases 4k / hdr and Atmos - but tbh i tried it and couldnt really tell much difference

But i am getting old an a little deaf :)
 

BLAZIN TAC0

BLAZIN TAC0
As I understand it, it's a higher quality alternative to Windows Sonic. I can't say to what extent since I haven't yet tried it despite having it installed.
 

who?

who?
I've just been checking up on this, not for Elite, but because I'm thinking of upgrading my AV receiver (I play ED on my PC and not on the TV, so they're unrelated!)

From what I read - it's mostly about smarter/more flexible/more accurate surround sound; where it can factor in the location of your speakers as well rather than just 'play rear channel sound from rear channel speaker'. Having raised/ceiling mounted speakers to add a height element to the sound seems to be an important (but not essential) part of it too; so you might want to either have 4 speakers mounted up high or I believe it's possible to modify existing speakers to project the sound upwards.

I'd guess if ED doesn't support it - or you don't have a surround sound system - you'll get no benefit from having an Atmos AV receiver.
 

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who? said:
I've just been checking up on this, not for Elite, but because I'm thinking of upgrading my AV receiver (I play ED on my PC and not on the TV, so they're unrelated!)

From what I read - it's mostly about smarter/more flexible/more accurate surround sound; where it can factor in the location of your speakers as well rather than just 'play rear channel sound from rear channel speaker'. Having raised/ceiling mounted speakers to add a height element to the sound seems to be an important (but not essential) part of it too; so you might want to either have 4 speakers mounted up high or I believe it's possible to modify existing speakers to project the sound upwards.

I'd guess if ED doesn't support it - or you don't have a surround sound system - you'll get no benefit from having an Atmos AV receiver.
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Thanks for looking into it. I'm no expert when it comes to audio, far from it. :p
 

Mole HD

Mole HD
I use it since I play only with headphones. My Hyper-X cloud 2's come with Dolby 7.1 native...but the Atmos certainly gives it a bit of oomph. Pretty awesome in E-D, never tried it on the Xbox but I can't imagine it being that different.

Basically it enhances stereo sound to imitate true 7.1 surround for headphones. It certainly enhances my experience...and I have true Dolby 7.1 sound.
 

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heliman001 said:
I use it and it works brilliantly with ED, sonic does a good job too.
If you play with headphones it is the best option.
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Would you classify my turtle beach under that category? Also, for the full premium version, is it a subscription or one off payment?
 

NewBlacksmurf

NewBlacksmurf
Get the app, install it

Follow the settings and if you have a compatible receiver, it takes an uncompressed sound via HDMI and creates a better surround sound. I have an Atmos system with height speakers. It technically isn't a Dobly Atmos signal however the xbox settings pulls and producers better sound than using DTS or Dobly Digital.

Atmos is a Dobly Digital sound but on xbox, they are separate settings
Try it and see if you like it. I prefer it over DTS and Dobly digital personally.

There is also a headset setting for Windows Sonic that I prefer.
 

heliman001

heliman001
Atmos has a headset setting which is far superior than Sonic for surround re-creation, the algorithm is way better that is why it's a paid app and not free like Sonic.
If you try the Atmos demos through decent stereo headsets you will be amazed at the depth and height of the sound.
 

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Yeah, just making a brew then I'll be trying the demo. Will report back!
 

CMDR Mayhem

CMDR Mayhem
I have it and I hear a fair difference(musician). But some people might hear only a tiny difference over your typical surround sound system.
The headphone version is mind blowing. Some of the demos on Youtube are awesome. There is a free trial on xbox with demos and it works on any stereo headset or headphones.
Obviously for it to truly work with the product it needs to be built from the start with Atmos, as only a handful of games on xbox are. Lots more movies and musicians are using this now and you will see lots more in the current years as I heard Dolby have just made deals with cinemas and movie production companys around the world.

Sidenote* Also heard that Atmos was tested in broadcasting a whole years worth of football(soccer) recently. Which has been described by people to sound like you were actually in the stadium, as you could feel the loudspeaker above and around you.
 
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Zeeman

Zeeman
For 5.1/7.1/Atmos - you *will* need a receiver that can process it, and the right number of speakers, properly placed and tuned, to get the full benefit.

Atmos is the next step in surround sound.

So, the history...

Pro-Logic - in it's simplest form, clever mixing with stereo to simulate discrete surround channels. Basically, the left channel subtracted from the right for the rears (which are mono - this is called phase-shift, and is how 5.1/7.1 headphones work), and then combining the left/right for the centre. Effectively, four channels combined into two.

5.1 - Welcome to digital - 5 discrete channels (left, centre, right, left surround, right surround) plus a Low Frequency Effects channel (LFE). Each channel is discrete, there is and any speaker can do anything regardless of what any other speaker is doing.


7.1 - as above, but with two extra speakers (left rear and right rear).

DD+, DDHD, DTH-HD, DTS-HDMA - as above, but high resolution/and uncompressed for DDHD and DTS-HDMA

Atmos - channels added for the ceiling. This can be 5.1.x, 7.1.x etc. Where the first number refers to the main and surround speaker channels, the second digit the number of powered LFE channels, and the "x" refers tot he number of ceiling" or upward firing speakers.

I can't stress this enough - 5.1/7.1/Atmos headphones are a gimmick, they are not giving you true surround, they are messing with frequencies to simulate it (much like how noise cancelling works). Yeah, it kinda works, but you are truly, honestly, better off with a good set of stereo headphones. I promise, they will sound better. You can't be surrounded by sound when you have sound coming directly from your ears, you simply can't tell direction that way, it's physics.

The only way to properly experience 5.1/7.1/Atmos is either at a cinema, or with a properly set up surround system.

A properly set up 5.1 system will, to this day, blow people away. There are reasons why you would, or wouldn't install 5.1/7.1/Atmos in your home, including budget, room size/shape, seating location etc.

Now, ED support 5.1, and it is *epic*. You can locate where ships are, where skimmers are coming from, which part of your hull is being slammed with multi cannon shells... But as far as I am aware, ED does not support Atmos. It needs to be programmed in, and coded for.

In the interests of full disclosure, I was THX certified in 1996 (trained by the head of Lucasfilm's Audio dept at the time, actually), did ISF back in 2010, and have been working in home automation and home theatres since 1995.

Z...
 
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heliman001

heliman001
Zeeman said:
For 5.1/7.1/Atmos - you *will* need a receiver that can process it, and the right number of speakers, properly placed and tuned, to get the full benefit.

Atmos is the next step in surround sound.

So, the history...

Pro-Logic - in it's simplest form, clever mixing with stereo to simulate discrete surround channels. Basically, the left channel subtracted from the right for the rears (which are mono - this is called phase-shift, and is how 5.1/7.1 headphones work), and then combining the left/right for the centre. Effectively, for channels combined into two.

5.1 - Welcome to digital - 5 discrete channels (left, centre, right, left surround, right surround) plus a Low Frequency Effects channel (LFE). Each channel is discrete, there is and any speaker can do anything regardless of what any other speaker is doing.


7.1 - as above, but with two extra speakers (left rear and right rear).

DD+, DDHD, DTH-HD, DTS-HDMA - as above, but high resolution/and uncompressed for DDHD and DTS-HDMA

Atmos - channels added for the ceiling. This can be 5.1.x, 7.1.x etc. Where the first number refers to the main and surround speaker channels, the second digit the number of powered LFE channels, and the "x" refers tot he number of ceiling" or upward firing speakers.

I can't stress this enough - 5.1/7.1/Atmos headphones are a gimmick, they are not giving you true surround, they are messing with frequencies to simulate it (much like how noise cancelling works). Yeah, it kinda works, but you are truly, honestly, better off with a good set of stereo headphones. I promise, they will sound better. You can't be surrounded by sound when you have sound coming directly from your ears, you simply can't tell direction that way, it's physics.

The only way to properly experience 5.1/7.1/Atmos is either at a cinema, or with a properly set up surround system.

A properly set up 5.1 system will, to this day, blow people away. There are reasons why you would, or wouldn't install 5.1/7.1/Atmos in your home, including budget, room size/shape, seating location etc.

Now, ED support 5.1, and it is *epic*. You can locate where ships are, where skimmers are coming from, which part of your hull is being slammed with multi cannon shells... But as far as I am aware, ED does not support Atmos. It needs to be programmed in, and coded for.

In the interests of full disclosure, I was THX certified in 1996 (trained by the head of Lucasfilm's Audio dept at the time, actually), did ISF back in 2010, and have been working in home automation and home theatres since 1995.

Z...
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We are only using stereo headphones, and yes we know you cannot get proper surround out of a pair of speakers, but it does work surprisingly well.
 

Zeeman

Zeeman
heliman001 said:
We are only using stereo headphones, and yes we know you cannot get proper surround out of a pair of speakers, but it does work surprisingly well.
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Atmos through stereo will just be Atmos down mixed to stereo - which is pretty much the same as the regular stereo audio track, there shouldn't be a difference. I'd be curious to check this out if there is, in fact, any sort of difference...

Z...
 

Mr Cynical

Mr Cynical
Zeeman said:
Atmos through stereo will just be Atmos down mixed to stereo - which is pretty much the same as the regular stereo audio track, there shouldn't be a difference. I'd be curious to check this out if there is, in fact, any sort of difference...

Z...
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It's not the same as stereo, it uses sound frequency/range trickery to fool the ears/brain into thinking the sound comes from different directions. It's good tech programming to get around only having 2 channels.
 

Zeeman

Zeeman
Mr Cynical said:
It's not the same as stereo, it uses sound frequency/range trickery to fool the ears/brain into thinking the sound comes from different directions. It's good tech programming to get around only having 2 channels.
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If you use the 5.1/7.1 marketed headphones, yes. He stated he was using a stereo set...

Z...
 
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