General / Off-Topic Don't make me defend a neo-''national socialist''..

[Comrade Error]

The amount of people saying that punching Richard Spencer for being a dumb[haha][haha][haha] neo-''national socialist'' is completely justified and that he deserves worse is pretty bad for my view on humanity. I like to think that I'm more left leaning (altough really not much for labels, my opinions on free speech and personal freedom don't relate to my opinions on gender studies and the likes) but left leaning before all the ''But my feels''. So that out of the way, yea I despise his opinions and he's what you would call a piece of [haha][haha][haha][haha], like anyone else who thinks that skin pigmentation has anything to do with anything, that said he has as much of a right to hold disgusting irrational opinions just like everyone else, as long as they are just that, opinions and not actions, without getting roughed up for holding the wrong opinions.

To be fair, all these people were in the Young Turks comment section, some of them claimed to be ''radical leftwing anarchist''. Most of them sounded like chliche movie villains. ''They're just speaking a language the alt right understands.'' since when has the left let alone anarchists been wanting thought crime?

 

[ghcannon]

Edit :Wrong thread, sorry

 

[FuzzySpider]

http://www.cracked.com/blog/things-your-angry-relatives-always-get-wrong-about-protests/

Number 3.

Protests are here to stay because they're effective and fun. "National socialists" are here to stay because ignorance and hate are tough ailments to shake, apparently. And, sadly, punching is going to be around for a while because it's effective and fun. So it stands to reason that, eventually, another Nz will get punched at a protest. But it's not actually that important. Discussing a Nz getting punched by an anonymous Nz-puncher when behind them is a massive demonstration against the sitting president of the United States is like worrying about the ammonia level in your fish tank while your friends battle acid-blooded aliens (from Aliens) in your living room.

 

[Comrade Error]

http://www.cracked.com/blog/things-your-angry-relatives-always-get-wrong-about-protests/

Number 3.

Yea! It's just a small ''crime''! Who cares! Satan just got sworn into office!

 

[Chris Simon]

I have a feeling you are suggesting there is supposed to be a hope for humanity to be had?

In my opinion we're a couple centuries past that.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Personally I'd like to smash the living **** out of the effer with the "White lives matter too much" banner in the vid of the punch, what a repugnant piece of racist bigoted filth.

 

[Necronaught]

This guy sums it up nicely. Well worth a watch if you haven't seen it. He speaks of both the inauguration and the Woman's march. @4:35 he nails it bang on the head.

[video=youtube;Ap2PWCzIrrE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap2PWCzIrrE[/video]

 

[FuzzySpider]

Well worth a watch if you haven't seen it.

Whilst the ranting drivel of the ill-washed brotherhood of the highway can indeed be sometimes entertaining, this isn't. It's kind of like Trump himself. Highlights include;

"political correctness is a disease"

"planned parenthood is about to sterilize black people"

"this is the united states of america, you don't like the president then you shouldn't be here. Leave"

"you don't like him, you don't want to be here, then leave. This is a free country"

"you have people in this group who are socialists"

"I know for a fact, I've seen the socialsts, in your group"

If there was any doubt about the intellectual deficit of much of Trumps base this man dispells it.

 

[Necronaught]

Planned parent hood was set up by Margret Sanger.

There are socialists and communists in those marches, it's the anarchists that get all the publicity due to direct action. I am a veteran of the anti capitalist marches of the 90's and used to be involved with AFA (now antifa) and the Hunt Sabs. I used to remember counter protesting BNP and Nation Front not Conservatives. I have been beaten by skinheads and hunt supporters many times. Until recently I used to consider myself extreme left wing.

I scoff at the left these days. Self hating and guilty for the actions of long dead ancestors. We've moved on and should be proud of what we have achieved today. There are very few real far right activists, alt right is not far right. I know I've had my head kicked in by the far right.. Not even the EDL are far right. They are just misguided frightened kids.

This white superiority nonsense is a fallacy. There are more white people in positions of power and authority because there are more of us as we are a white culture in Europe, and we have long been here. To claim that's racist is stupid. The fact we let other people in is a sign the attitudes of old are long gone. Just because some people linger in the past, that doesn't represent the whole culture.

The women marching for what? The scrapping of public funds for ? When there are multiple free contraception's out there. Rightly so people should pay for their own abortions. Trump has not done a thing to provoke any reaction, they are blindly led by media propaganda. The same media complicit in the ruination of America's wealth. Trump claims to be investigating the people behind it and it's no wonder the barrage of fake news spewing out of the scared press who don't want to see their heads roll when justice comes knocking.

Some of what Big Joe said to the protesters was dumb. Instead of telling them to leave America he should have told them to vote.

 

[Ca$hback]

For me, it's simple: I'm a socialist because I don't believe in people's ability to manage themselves. They're entitled children that talk all day about rights. Rights for animals. Rights for minorities. Rights for this and that. Rights are a terrible thing that only exist as a necessity due to a lack of respect for each other. We shouldn't need rights but we do and it's all born out of a lack of respect, not something noble. The alternative is worse. We have a charter of human rights but no charter of human responsibilities. Talk about entitlement. Where's the responsibility to protect the environment you gather resources from? Where's the responsibility to live sustainably so that everyone can eat? Why are we taught to climb over each other like ravenous pigs, so competitive all the time? We validate the behavior that generates the status quo and the problem lies with the people. I would sooner trust my "racist" old grandfather to have more respect for people of color, albeit with a few racial slurs, than I would some patronizing university student from a rich family coming from a nice marriage who's learned to say what will make him more popular rather than what's on his mind. The racist patronization these rich kids have by being politically correct, while understanding nothing of the struggle of a minority and having the gall to think they'll be some kind of hero by serving soup in a kitchen makes my stomach sore.
Living in vancouver, moral superiority is a sport out here. All these loud protesters that read a one-page article. Full of self-righteous fervor, snowballing their confidence in the circle-J of like minded students that just want to be a part of something and are generally terrible people like the rest of us, partying, not-getting enough sleep, eating meat, leaving the lights on, not doing their dishes.

Everybody shut up at the end because they knew he had something to say that they needed to hear and sure enough, they heard it.
#1 You self-righteously demonize anyone who tries to express a dissenting opinion. A circle-J.
#2 Carry on polarizing and demonizing each other. Then do it some more. Keep dividing yourselves and before you know it you'll have lost your precious rights. You'll make it easy for him.

Maybe people would develop some respect for each other (and consequence in general) if they lost their rights and all they had was each other.

I don't like Trump but people like the first loud woman trying to argue with all passion and no brains can go walking through traffic and hope they catch something. Full of themselves they are. Much greed and hatred, mmmmm.

 

[Aereon Theed]

The Young Turks seem a bit off to me. Hate this guy and I am not sad he got punched in the face... but the Young Turks seem like they have a small agenda themselves. I could be wrong. I have watched them quite a bit and the main guy (forget his name) denies a bunch of stuff that happened. Like that genocide the Turkish committed I believe in the 1800's or early 1900's. Excuse me for lack of specifics. I currently have a massive stomach bug and its hard to think.

 

[FuzzySpider]

The Young Turks seem a bit off to me.

Yep. They're basically the more moderate elements of Fox News but from the left. Most of what they report is current affairs but with a massive dose of their own opinion transposed onto it.

There are multitudes of decent centerist news sources about though (washington post, NYT, FT, New Yorker, LRB, NYRB, Guardian, PBS etc) not to mention several independent journalists that are well worth following on their various social media outlets, so I'm not sure what TYT are trying to do among that lot.

Hate this guy and I am not sad he got punched in the face... but the Young Turks seem like they have a small agenda themselves. I could be wrong. I have watched them quite a bit and the main guy (forget his name) denies a bunch of stuff that happened. Like that genocide the Turkish committed I believe in the 1800's or early 1900's. Excuse me for lack of specifics. I currently have a massive stomach bug and its hard to think.

His name is Cenk. I like him personally, but most of what he says one has to take with a grain of salt. He's an opinion maker and news commenter, which is fine, but this being the case he shouldn't present himself as a journalist.

By the way, January is the worst time for norovirus infections if you're living in the northern hemisphere. If that's what you've got get some sprite or other sugary soda down you (one that doesn't have caffeine). Ohh and don't go near anyone elses food before they eat it.

 

[Ian Skippy]

For me, it's simple: I'm a socialist because I don't believe in people's ability to manage themselves. They're entitled children that talk all day about rights. Rights for animals. Rights for minorities. Rights for this and that. Rights are a terrible thing that only exist as a necessity due to a lack of respect for each other. We shouldn't need rights but we do and it's all born out of a lack of respect, not something noble. The alternative is worse. We have a charter of human rights but no charter of human responsibilities. Talk about entitlement. Where's the responsibility to protect the environment you gather resources from? Where's the responsibility to live sustainably so that everyone can eat?

Maybe off-topic: In the Netherlands we have the Animal Party. While they are actually a serious party with a terrible name, they do want to give animals legal rights. Interestingly, there is a very good legal argument against it: animals arent able to excercise their rights in a democratic bureaucracy. That may sound silly, but it would technically mean animals would need legal representitives, who would prosecute people in the way their animal clients desire. But who speaks for animals? Who would be able to tell you with certainty whether or not a specific animal would prefer to excercise his right? I may excercise my right not to be slapped by someone. I may also excercise my right not to object to being slapped in the face if I want to. Rights are problematic, they require a choice of the one with the right. A much better alternative would be to not give animals any rights, but to give humans legal responsibilities.

Rights and responsibilities are very much related, but when requesting change one should be very careful not to confuse the two. So you are right in that sense: we should sometimes not ask for rights, but demand our responsibilities are clearly defined, and upheld.

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The Young Turks seem a bit off to me. Hate this guy and I am not sad he got punched in the face... but the Young Turks seem like they have a small agenda themselves. I could be wrong. I have watched them quite a bit and the main guy (forget his name) denies a bunch of stuff that happened. Like that genocide the Turkish committed I believe in the 1800's or early 1900's. Excuse me for lack of specifics. I currently have a massive stomach bug and its hard to think.

Its the Armenian Genocide, and it absolutely happened. They had a very nice way of dealing with women and children without executing them, which they did with the males: death marches into the desert. As noone would accept Germany denying the Holocaust, so should noone accept Turkey and Erdogan denying the attrocities in their past.

 

[Aereon Theed]

Yep. They're basically the more moderate elements of Fox News but from the left. Most of what they report is current affairs but with a massive dose of their own opinion transposed onto it.

There are multitudes of decent centerist news sources about though (washington post, NYT, FT, New Yorker, LRB, NYRB, Guardian, PBS etc) not to mention several independent journalists that are well worth following on their various social media outlets, so I'm not sure what TYT are trying to do among that lot.



His name is Cenk. I like him personally, but most of what he says one has to take with a grain of salt. He's an opinion maker and news commenter, which is fine, but this being the case he shouldn't present himself as a journalist.

By the way, January is the worst time for norovirus infections if you're living in the northern hemisphere. If that's what you've got get some sprite or other sugary soda down you (one that doesn't have caffeine). Ohh and don't go near anyone elses food before they eat it.

Thank you my friend! This is what I have. I appreciate it. I'll do just that.

Its the Armenian Genocide, and it absolutely happened. They had a very nice way of dealing with women and children without executing them, which they did with the males: death marches into the desert. As noone would accept Germany denying the Holocaust, so should noone accept Turkey and Erdogan denying the attrocities in their past.

Thanks. I knew I could count on you guys. This is the one I was talking about. Communication is key but I think we all have to admit to our faults as well and it bothers me that they don't...