Double hotspots?

Stealthie

Stealthie
Anybody know if there's a site/app that lists the locations of double-hotspots for anything other than Painite?

I see that Benitoite, Serendibite and Muscravite are now selling for more than Painite.
Only trouble is, if you're mining those things in a regular hotspot it's going to take longer than mining Painite in a double hotspot.

Seems like it's about time sites like EDDB added info' about hotspots to it's database.
 

Stealthie

Stealthie
GJ51 said:

Miner's Tool

edtools.ddns.net edtools.ddns.net
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Ha, cheers. (y)

I've actually had that page open on my browser for months, continuously, even though I haven't been playing ED much.
As a result, I was still seeing the old version, which didn't provide the same data.
Just refreshed the page and I'm seeing it now.

Do we know where that site is getting it's info' about hotspots? INARA? EDDB?

EDDB is still my go-to website for ED stuff but it's disappointing that nu-mining has been around for over a year, now, and EDDB hasn't incorporated it yet.
 

Scoob

Scoob
The miners tools has never listed Mining locations for Benitiote, Serendibite or Muscravite for me - just checked, and it's still not.

Scoob.
 

Stealthie

Stealthie
Scoob said:
The miners tools has never listed Mining locations for Benitiote, Serendibite or Muscravite for me - just checked, and it's still not.

Scoob.
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You're right.

I couldn't even see the buttons for those 3 things on my page but refreshing it showed them.

It does only seem to be showing the market-systems rather than the hotspot locations (never mind any double hotspot locations) though. :unsure:
 

Snowymonk

Snowymonk
Stealthie said:
Do we know where that site is getting it's info' about hotspots? INARA? EDDB?

EDDB is still my go-to website for ED stuff but it's disappointing that nu-mining has been around for over a year, now, and EDDB hasn't incorporated it yet.
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Dosn't Inara get a lot of it's feed from EDDB?
 

Red Anders

Red Anders
Ian Doncaster said:
With the exception of the gems which can also be laser-mined (Painite, Low-Temp Diamonds) ... does it actually do any good to have overlapping hotspots?
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Apparently the consensus is that it doesn't increase the number of rocks with cores, but does ensure that pretty much every core rock you find will be the relevant mineral.
 

Stealthie

Stealthie
Ian Doncaster said:
With the exception of the gems which can also be laser-mined (Painite, Low-Temp Diamonds) ... does it actually do any good to have overlapping hotspots?
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The stuff I asked about in the OP is laser-mined, so the same benefits that apply to Painite will apply to those items too.

It's only when you talk about DC mining that the benefit of double-hotspots becomes more questionable.
Personally, I've tried DC mining in a VO double hotspot and I managed to stumble across plenty of trash there.

I know people have done a lot of work to establish how things work so I guess I'm just especially unlucky - which is another reason I prefer to stick to laser-mining because it's a "sure thing" even if the profit per target 'roid isn't as high.
 

Stealthie

Stealthie
Factabulous said:
Not unless it's added to the journals.

Double hotspots require CMDRs to go out and find them and report them - well volunteered sir - good luck in your search!
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I assume that means the information isn't in the journal?

That seems kind of willfully obtuse of FDev - almost as if they're deliberately hindering the compilation of useful data.
Seems like the location of hotspots should be something that appears in the Codex, in the same way that the location of Geo/Bio POIs does.
 

Deleted member 38366

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Stealthie said:
I assume that means the information isn't in the journal?

That seems kind of willfully obtuse of FDev - almost as if they're deliberately hindering the compilation of useful data.
Seems like the location of hotspots should be something that appears in the Codex, in the same way that the location of Geo/Bio POIs does.
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Yep, it's one of those infamous "You don't need a Spreadsheet to play the Game"(tm) moments ;)

Since that's 100.0% false as always, this is the kind of stuff you'll have to build for yourself :
(Note : haven't had much interest in hunting double-hotspots, I'm happy with "generic" Hotspots i.e. for Painite Mining)
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GJ51

GJ51
Stealthie said:
Ha, cheers. (y)

I've actually had that page open on my browser for months, continuously, even though I haven't been playing ED much.
As a result, I was still seeing the old version, which didn't provide the same data.
Just refreshed the page and I'm seeing it now.

Do we know where that site is getting it's info' about hotspots? INARA? EDDB?

EDDB is still my go-to website for ED stuff but it's disappointing that nu-mining has been around for over a year, now, and EDDB hasn't incorporated it yet.
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Data is pulled from EDDB
 

GJ51

GJ51
Scoob said:
The miners tools has never listed Mining locations for Benitiote, Serendibite or Muscravite for me - just checked, and it's still not.

Scoob.
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"Where To Mine Benitoite:
Mine in any hotspot you can find, double hotspots don't matter for core mining.
Hotspots increase the probability of finding the named core type vs other core types, but not the number of cores."

Same for Serendibite or Muscravite

EDIT: Not verified by me.

mined from Hotspots in rocky Planetary Ring Systems
 
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Stealthie

Stealthie
GJ51 said:
"Where To Mine Benitoite:
Mine in any hotspot you can find, double hotspots don't matter for core mining.
Hotspots increase the probability of finding the named core type vs other core types, but not the number of cores."

Same for Serendibite or Muscravite
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Wait, what?

Are we saying Benitoite, Serendibite and Muscravite are all obtained from DEEP CORE mining? 🤨

I haven't been mining for months but I thought they were all obtained from laser-mining.
If they are obtained via DC mining, that makes things much simpler - cos I'd rather go laser-mining and that'd mean Painite is still the most valuable commodity that can be laser-mined.
 

Maolagin

M
Stealthie said:
Ha, cheers. (y)

I've actually had that page open on my browser for months, continuously, even though I haven't been playing ED much.
As a result, I was still seeing the old version, which didn't provide the same data.
Just refreshed the page and I'm seeing it now.

Do we know where that site is getting it's info' about hotspots? INARA? EDDB?

EDDB is still my go-to website for ED stuff but it's disappointing that nu-mining has been around for over a year, now, and EDDB hasn't incorporated it yet.
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The Miners' Tool got its data about overlapping hotspots the old-fashioned way: the EliteMiners subreddit divided up all known pristine metallic rings within a couple hundred LY of human civilization, and scanned them all for overlapping Painite hotspots. There's too many icy rings to tackle comprehensively like that, but the known LTD overlaps were also reported there.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteMiners/comments/csmuuf
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteMiners/comments/csmuuf/psa_scouting_for_double_painite_hotspots_is_done/


But also, as the Miners' Tool says on the pages for Alexandrite etc, overlapping hotspots only matter for laser mining. For core mining materials, any hotspot for the material you want will do.
 

Ian Doncaster

Ian Doncaster
Stealthie said:
Seems like the location of hotspots should be something that appears in the Codex, in the same way that the location of Geo/Bio POIs does.
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Geo/Bio POIs have a coordinate system that their location can be given from, though.

It'd be nice to have a polar coordinate system for ring systems, but without that there wouldn't be a way to tell the difference between overlapping hotspots (relatively rare) and two hotspots of the same sort in different bits of the same ring (relatively common)

That space-based POIs don't appear in the journals at all is a bit strange, though - similarly megaships, installations, etc. can't be tracked from them.

Stealthie said:
If they are obtained via DC mining, that makes things much simpler - cos I'd rather go laser-mining and that'd mean Painite is still the most valuable commodity that can be laser-mined.
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Yes, Painite and LTD are the only gems which can be laser mined. You might find LTDs more profitable than Painite, sometimes.
 

Friedenreich Xante

Friedenreich Xante
Stealthie said:
Wait, what?

Are we saying Benitoite, Serendibite and Muscravite are all obtained from DEEP CORE mining? 🤨

I haven't been mining for months but I thought they were all obtained from laser-mining.
If they are obtained via DC mining, that makes things much simpler - cos I'd rather go laser-mining and that'd mean Painite is still the most valuable commodity that can be laser-mined.
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That's what it means, indeed. Core roids frequency isn't influenced by the number of overlapping hotspots, so any single one will do.
 

GraphiteGB

GraphiteGB
Yep Core rocks are Persistent factor in rings.
Each ring gets a set number of core rocks set by Fdev scripts and nothing users do can change this... the same ring gets the same number of core mining rocks nio matter were in the ring..
This was shown multi times when a ring was found that failed to generate any thing but core mining rocks. The dust an other rocks were not generated so every other rock shown was purely deepcore mining rocks... this Bug at that location has been fixed...

Edit 1 PS LTD 3x hotspot over lap is still available for those who wish to do Laser mining over core mining, the percentage per rock being mined is lower but the price is still higher...
Edit 2 PSS Due to the new public holiday state in Mriya ... A x4 price rise is in effect 20,000Ly out in that other place... so currently LTD are selling for ~1.6million per ton... higher than the bubble prices...
 
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