Drive Strengthening upgrade for Thrusters - never used by anyone. It can be changed.

Insane4un

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FD, you already did it with Shielded FSD upgrade. You gave it +15 opt mass
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and you also increased effect of Double Braced modification by 10% up tp 25%
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Why can't you continue to do same with other useless upgrade like Drive Strengthening? Give it +15% opt mass, increase it's Double Braced effect, and then pilots will start to use it for the first time ever in 3 years.

Look at how bad it is at the moment
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no one will ever use it, if you not going to change it to +15% optimal multiplier like you already did with Shielded FSD

But that's what everyone using at this moment. And if everyone keep using one upgrade and ignore others, something is wrong..
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pippo

pippo
Insane4un said:
[...]And if everyone keep using one upgrade and ignore others, something is wrong..
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I only use Clean drive tuning nowadays, but then again I don't PvP and don't play in open anymore, so 500m/s + is enough of an edge to me.
As for Reinforced Drives, it's clearly designed for large transport ships, for longer survivability while spooling up your FSD before an evasive highwake.
 

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
pippo said:
I only use Clean drive tuning nowadays, but then again I don't PvP and don't play in open anymore, so 500m/s + is enough of an edge to me.
As for Reinforced Drives, it's clearly designed for large transport ships, for longer survivability while spooling up your FSD before an evasive highwake.
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Don't be silly. Even in PvE 500m/s isn't fast enough.
Nothing is ever fast enough! :p

I just upgraded my exploration Krait Phantom to be able to do 591m/s. Simply because I can. Lol

As for reinforced, a 110% integrity increase isn't really enough to survive, especially when running (often in a straight line), but without shields, cannons, rails, and missiles will quickly cripple them.

If anything, reinforced G5 should be +250% integrity, with a small performance increase (+15% Optimal Mass, and +15% Optimal Multiplier) , plus +25% mass.
 

pippo

pippo
Spacehead, you really think a choker full Lakon Type 9 benefits more from G5 Dirty drives than G5 Reinforced drives?

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead said:
If anything, reinforced G5 should be +250% integrity, with a small performance increase (+15% Optimal Mass, and +15% Optimal Multiplier) , plus +25% mass.
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I do agree with the integrity buff, but +15% Optimal mass and multiplier and there is litterally no trade off / sacrifices.
 

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
pippo said:
Spacehead, you really think a choker full Lakon Type 9 benefits more from G5 Dirty drives than G5 Reinforced drives?



I do agree with the integrity buff, but +15% Optimal mass and multiplier and there is litterally no trade off / sacrifices.
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The sacrifice is significantly less performance than DD and CD, but improved integrity. Maybe optimal mass doesn't need to be on there. I'm not really sure what it does. Lol

As for T9, I don't think anything will really help. DD5 isn't going to make it outrun anything, just makes it less of a pig to fly.
Better off just fitting good shields and armour, and some point defence turrets to shoot down FSD reboot missiles and tank the damage until you jump.
 

Decksmeck

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I admit, I use it sometimes. I sometimes get B grade for extra integrity and lower power consumption. I buff it up with armor and double bracing. Some ships will never be fast enough. Might as well be stronger.
 

Kissamies

Kissamies
A small power draw reduction could also make it a bit more appealing as the Thrusters are always the most power hungry component at least from what I've seen.
 

Chaparral

Chaparral
Vardaugas said:
I wonder if they can adjust the lateral thrusters of a ship with a modification. Then drive strengthening could be used to improve the acceleration and deceleration, effectively reducing drift, instead of going faster per se. Would have at least a niche use then.
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So this is really a neat idea. I would absolutely consider a mod that focuses on maneuverability instead of focused on max speed.
 

Daynen

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The thing about dirty vs clean drives is that in the end, you're still gauging one single result: speed. In FAR too many cases, even when cursory estimation would suggest clean drives are of greater overall benefit, dirties simply give you so much more speed that it's hard to justify trading it away. Everything you trade away for dirty drives can be easily compensated by other engineering, but most other engineering does little to improve your speed, no matter how much mass you drop--and even then you're trading away a LOT of other benefits for that lightweight blueprint. Clean drives are at best a niche personal preference...and usually by folks who haven't tried G5 dirties on an enhanced performance iEagle...

I agree that engineering blueprints need some SERIOUS rethinking and diversity though. And at least ONE engineer needs to offer G4 thrusters before Palin! It's absolutely mindless that you're stuck with G3 until Palin and he shoots straight to G5! I see NO logic in this!
 

Sylow

Sylow
pippo said:
I do agree with the integrity buff, but +15% Optimal mass and multiplier and there is litterally no trade off / sacrifices.
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Northpin said:
The trade off is that you don't use Dirty Drives
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That's unfortunately true. The boat of "sidegrades, with advantages and tradeoffs" has not sailed, it was sunk by FD before launch. :(
I would've preferred engineers to be sidegrades. But somebody at FD was scared that it wouldn't sell without massive power creep. But no mattter how much i would appreciate it if FD would give engineers a huge nerfbat beating, it won't happen. Within the given scaling, the suggestion in this thread is very reasonable. :(
 

777Driver

777Driver
Insane4un said:
no one will ever use it, if you not going to change it to +15% optimal multiplier like you already did with Shielded FSD

But that's what everyone using at this moment. And if everyone keep using one upgrade and ignore others, something is wrong..
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Not sure where you are getting your info from. strengthening is good for a number of roles, excellent thermal whilst maintaining a much stronger drive with a sheildless build. It's not all about being a sheep and going for ultimate speed builds.
 
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