ED: Is it Like EvE?

SCADVID

SCADVID
Hiyas!

A very long time gamer here, going back to Pong days. Have also played EvE (though ED isn't a game I really want to play Starbuck, much more interested in exploration/trade).

Is there any literature or video on the differences between EvE and ED (besides the obvious differences in game modes, as EvE is a FFA PvP game)? Something so I can investigate it myself? So many games are hyped, and a $60 price tag is a tad steep to buy to try -- and ED isn't so well known across the pond (only discovered it on Steam yesterday!).

Furthermore, how deep is the trade and crafting systems? Is it somewhere inbetween EvE and other MMOs? PI and ship building was something I really loved in EvE as it was so intricate, but EvE's politics :)mad: Goons :mad:) get in the way of it all.

How would you rate the community? WoW like? EQ/EQ2 like? Battlefield like? EvE like? Really don't like attery and why the solo game play of ED looks so appealing (MMOs share the same gamers and doubt ED would flush the worst elements out -- griefers; exploiters; bots all which ruin economies, too).

Any help in learning of the differences is appreciated!
 

barcode

B
EVE and ED are quite different. ED focuses on piloting a single ship without player-owned corps or stations, though that doesn't stop player groups from backing in-game factions and exerting influence that way. It's not about being in charge, it's more about being the little guy operating in the shadows of the big galactic powers.

Combat is much more intense and involves practically no point-and-click mechanics.

Trading isn't really all that sophisticated, though there's supposedly a detailed background simulation that determines commodity prices and stock levels. Crafting is pretty much limited to outfitting and customising your own ship.

The in-game community is actually pretty cool, there are a few jerks but that's the same with any community. PVP is largely optional, you can play in solo mode to avoid other players entirely or join a PVE group like Mobius.

Oh, and the Goons already have a sizeable presence in-game, but goons are a pretty diverse bunch and the Goons in EVE aren't really the same as the ones in ED.
 

Commander Debic

Commander Debic
SCADVID said:
Hiyas!

A very long time gamer here, going back to Pong days. Have also played EvE (though ED isn't a game I really want to play Starbuck, much more interested in exploration/trade).

Is there any literature or video on the differences between EvE and ED (besides the obvious differences in game modes, as EvE is a FFA PvP game)? Something so I can investigate it myself? So many games are hyped, and a $60 price tag is a tad steep to buy to try -- and ED isn't so well known across the pond (only discovered it on Steam yesterday!).

Furthermore, how deep is the trade and crafting systems? Is it somewhere inbetween EvE and other MMOs? PI and ship building was something I really loved in EvE as it was so intricate, but EvE's politics :)mad: Goons :mad:) get in the way of it all.

How would you rate the community? WoW like? EQ/EQ2 like? Battlefield like? EvE like? Really don't like attery and why the solo game play of ED looks so appealing (MMOs share the same gamers and doubt ED would flush the worst elements out -- griefers; exploiters; bots all which ruin economies, too).

Any help in learning of the differences is appreciated!
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At this time PI and module/shipbuilding do not exist in ED and I don't really know if they ever will, as compared to Eve, ED is very young and in it's early gestation stage.
Likewise there is no player market. Trading consists of buying products at one station and ferrying them to another for as large a profit as you can.

Where ED does score is in it's various modes of Open (PVP) play, Group play (PVE) usually, but can be PVP/PVE if the group has it's rules set that way, and Solo/Private wing with a friend/s, up to four players, playing however you wish to. Solo being full on PVE as in a single player game. You can switch modes anytime you like, so the attery of Eve is never a problem.

Besides trading, you can bounty hunt, players or npc's, act as pirate, players or npc's, and explore the galaxy, consisting of billions of stars, discovering new planets and stars. There are also missions you can engage in and advancement with factions and NPC groups if that is your bag. Do remember though that in all these occupations ED is still a very young game and is still, relatively speaking, an infant at primary school and has a long way to go yet before it comes of age.
Many things, such as real planetary interactions, FPS, escort duties, multiship complements, and no doubt along the journey our game will mature and change. So in a way the exploration is both in game and of the game..
Hope this helps.
 

BarFly

BarFly
Hello,

if you want to build up a trading and crafting empire - go to the X - Series games, take a look at the moddings available and enjoy your own empire, watch your industry , protect it with your own fleet etc..
If you are interested in exploring the Milky Way - Elite D. is your game.
If you are interested in PVP, based on personal skill - Elite D. is your game.
 

Muzz UK

Muzz UK
Elite is more a sim/immersion game/career game than an MMO like Eve. Never played Eve but I imagine it's just space WoW, who can grind the most numbers to quickest to get better numbers than the other number of players. Apologies if I'm wrong and offend Eve players :-D I just love the fact Elite means you pilot your ship and destiny.
 

Painkiller

Painkiller
hi SCADVID, check some links from here where people discuss differences between this 2 games. Have in mind that ED has been released like 4 months ago with minimum gaming possibilities and almost every month they add some important stuff. Game is still young and we who play it from the start can only enjoy its more benefits in the future. Have fun reading some info from this links :) Some articles are not recent and EVE-ED comparison has been made while ED was in Beta release.

http://www.engadget.com/2014/12/21/eve-evolved-eve-online-vs-elite-dangerous/
http://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/2r5yur/eve_online_comparison/
http://www.tentonhammer.com/editorial/can-elite-dangerous-challenge-eve-online
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=85768
 

Insomnia

Insomnia
First of all I HATE EVE Online. Whenever NPCs are calling me "pilot" in EVE I'm laughing out loud! It's like calling me a football player if I play FIFA Manager. Just a bunch of point-click-click-click.
When I asked the very same question if ED was like EVE I got the same response as you're getting. Elite is a truck sim in space. I feel like I'm piloting my ship in Elite.
No, Elite doesnt have the same amount of complexity and content.
You can explore all the 400 billion star systems, but most will look just the same as the previous system.
Mining is time consuming and very tedious.
You can trade. Rare trading is the least tedious imo.
And fight of course.
I got hold of the fighting training demo a few months back and I just turned FA off and just float around... Magnificent feeling I tell you.
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EVE has been around for 10 years. 10 years!!! Elite has only been around for a few months. But it will get better and better.
If Braben gets what he wants then Elite could be the game I've wanted my whole life.
 

Varrag

Varrag
@OP
As a long time EVE player, I can tell that only similarity between these two games is that they're placed in space. ED offers a lot better immersion in "I am flying my spaceship"-part, but in every other sense ED cannot be really compared to EVE: manufacturing, dynamic player driven market, territorial control, player owned structures, player-run organizations (corporations, allliances), etc do not exist in ED; it's fairly simple and straightforward game at the moment. Also, ED is much more forgiving than EVE.

edit: ah, yes, and there are 400 billion solar systems in ED (or was it stars?), which dwarves New Eden by orders of magnitude.
 
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ShadowWolf Kell

ShadowWolf Kell
Rather than try to explain the big differences, I'll just use a much simpler analogy.

EvE is like GalCliv 2. It has a massive amount of depth that takes a long awhile to really take in. Players literally shape the game world with everything they do because the game is designed around that fact. The one thing that people shy away from with EvE is that it's no holds barred. Nothing coddles you or holds your hand. You jump into the ocean and have to swim with the sharks from day one. If you show weakness, the sharks will devour you. Each subsection of the game dwarfs the entirety of ED in it's size, scope and complexity. Indeed, some manufactured items require a larger # of materials than the entire commodity list in ED. I won't even go into how many go into making just one of those as Planetary Industry alone would take awhile to explain. ;)

ED is more like Starpoint Gemini 2. There's a lot of places to go and see, but the amount of stuff you can actually do is quite limited and your impact on the game world is pretty much nonexistant... except in your own imagination. ED is very much a remake of 1984's Elite, and retains about as much depth. If you're not into exploration, you're going to be sorely disappointed. ED, like SG2 is very action oriented.

As for PvP, all I can say it this.... In EvE, people can't submit and instantly FSD to get away. They can't Alt-F4 (well they can, but their ship is still able to be destroyed). And they surely can't drop to a Private Group or Solo to avoid it altogether. If someone's determined to attack you in EvE, chances are you're going to be fighting to the death unless the attacker wants a ransom. Even then, they might kill you anyway once you pay it. If someone's determined to find you, they will. You have to react to danger long before it appears. Paranoia is a very healthy thing in EvE. If you're the one doing the attacking, you can't simply just log out or dock to be safe. There's a timer and you get to run the gauntlet until it expires. Some people do it quite well. Others end up as a killmail for the umpeenth time. EvE greatly rewards boldness. It also brutally punishes stupidity.

I've played both (and I'm still actively playing EvE) and am under no delusions as to which is more complex, rich in content, and intense when it comes to combat. ED has potential but it will *never* hold a candle to EvE, let alone the greatest sci-fi games given it's current state. ED's hampered constantly by "too little, too late." I hope they can reverse that trend, but I believe SC will be out before planetary environments, ship interiors and the like. At that point, it'll be "too little, too late." The multiplayer in ED is... hopeless. Deny it all you like but that's the absolute honest truth. For a 2015 game, it's beyond abyssmal.

Exploration is the one major thing that's really successful in ED. The problem here is that in SC you can explore and sell lucrative data to other ship captains so they can personally exploit the system while no one else can. Then you can turn around and sell that info to a pirate gang so they can prey upon that system because they have exclusivity. Can I do that in ED? I wish. I'm not going to speculate too much about ED vs SC. I try not to watch any SC related stuff. I want the large majority to be a big surprise so I can have a complete nerdgasm when it's released. I know many people over on the SC forums from various games in the past, but try as I might I can't draw them over to here due to.... lack of content.

That doesn't mean I don't like ED or think it's a great game, because that's not true. I just tire of the comparisons, especially from people who haven't played EvE, or haven't played it in years. ED by any standard is a shell of a game (which is evident in pretty much any review of the game good or bad). To compare it to the most involved sci-fi game of all time and to believe it's on par is simply absurd.
 
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kreuzbichler

Banned
kreuzbichler
no not at all like Eve

no crafting or building or character skilling, no territory conflict, no player driven economy

it is the total opposite of Eve.
Eve is a sandbox MMORPG
 

|Shadow|

|Shadow|
I could go on but other people have already done a good job so Simple version ....

EVE - Spreed sheets in space
ED - Space Flight Sim

More or less anyway

Note: Yes I have played EVE online for over 6 years :)
 

|Shadow|

|Shadow|
ShadowWolf Kell said:
I'm sure Burn Jita was all spreadsheets in space. ;)
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HHAH Last time I went into Jita all i saw was waves of local spam scams.
The sad thing someone in local abusing another person for ripping him off and I am pretty sure he wasn't even there to abuse as the text was still spewing out of that toon.
 

zynaps

Z
steve_muzz said:
Never played Eve but I imagine it's just space WoW, who can grind the most numbers to quickest to get better numbers than the other number of players.
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Perhaps you should just try it then (one month free), because it's not "space WoW" and you cannot grind numbers to become better.
 

Hilight

Hilight
Have you ever played Freelancer? Insofar as trading, exploring and fighting are concerned, ED is like Freelancer times a few hundred billion star systems and thousand upon thousands of stations....there's those who say that since the systems are procedurally generated, they all seem the same, but it really is a matter of perspective...I've put in hundreds of hours play time and I've never seen two systems that are the same, but if you only look as far as the next station and not at all the stellar features you're flying by all the time, the systems can seem the same. ED is the ONLY game I've ever played where every so often I see something that is so great to just look at, that I stop my ship and take a screen shot. Visually and in sheer scope of the number of places you can fly to ED is absolutely spectacular...as for EVE, well I can't say as I've never liked subscription based games at all
 
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