ED ships and Water Worlds...

DukeIronHand

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Out exploring the galaxy in my Cobra Mk III and came across a Water World just basking in the sunshine looking very nice.
Quite the contrast from the grey, wet, and cold day outside my house.
Thought how cool it would be to be able to interact with this planet. Hopefully someday...

Anyway that got me wondering.
As the current ED ship "equipment and technology" is understood could (should?) our ships be capable of underwater operations? I would think but I may be missing something obvious.
Anyone want to guess? :D
 

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The Moray Starboat would be the Ship of choice for underwater operations.

Not in the Game yet though, since we can't go down to Water Worlds (let alone dive) yet.
 

Cmdr Tel

Cmdr Tel
I'm hoping this is one of the first atmospheric planet types they introduce and certainly the one I'm the most looking forward to. They have a great art team and I can't even imagine how good they could make this look/feel.
My pod of whales certainly would like to go for a swim
As a sailor......space and a waterworld....😊

As to reasons it wouldn't work...there is none.....since there is enough hand wavium physics in the game already. I believe it comes from the school of thought of "let them have fun".
 
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Hadarmil

Hadarmil
I'm assuming you'll need some module to make your thrusters sea worthy. Besides that I don't think FD will bother too much - maybe in extreme depths you'll get pressure warning and move slower.


IF it will ever happen.
 

Cupsuki

Cupsuki
Well most ships aerodinamically speaking are just flying bricks, but using them as submarines and boats seems quite feasible
 

Sapyx

Sapyx
The Saud Kruger ships all look like submarines, and they're named after marine mammals. Coincidence? Possibly not. There was some artwork floating about showing SK ships at an underwater base. Not sure if it was official concept art or a piece of fan-fic though.
 

Dan Dare

Dan Dare
Ship launched sub. Fits in the SLF hanger?
Submersible reconnaissance vehicle. Wheels extend fins and allow them to work like paddles?
Mother ship just needs to pick you up and drop you off ;)
 

Thetele

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And i thought everyone had seen this 3+ years old concept art

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Siranui

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DukeIronHand said:
Anyway that got me wondering.
As the current ED ship "equipment and technology" is understood could (should?) our ships be capable of underwater operations? I would think but I may be missing something obvious.
Anyone want to guess? :D
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Not really, no. Obviously the Moray can, but spaceships are made to contain 1Atm of pressure in a zero pressure environment [ie keeping something in], whereas submarines are constructed to contain 1Atm of pressure in tens of Atm of pressure [ie keeping something out]. Although both require the craft to be atmospherically sealed, the basic design concept is otherwise very different. You *could* make something that does both, but with the number of design compromises made... well, you know how popular cars-that-turn-into-planes are in our world!

I'm also not very sure how plasma thruster exhausts work when submerged. I suspect they don't!
 

DukeIronHand

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Siranui said:
Not really, no. Obviously the Moray can, but spaceships are made to contain 1Atm of pressure in a zero pressure environment [ie keeping something in], whereas submarines are constructed to contain 1Atm of pressure in tens of Atm of pressure [ie keeping something out]. Although both require the craft to be atmospherically sealed, the basic design concept is otherwise very different. You *could* make something that does both, but with the number of design compromises made... well, you know how popular cars-that-turn-into-planes are in our world!

I'm also not very sure how plasma thruster exhausts work when submerged. I suspect they don't!
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Well, you make much sense Cmdr.
With that said I do like the launchable SRV/Submarine idea!
 

Shiro Akai

Shiro Akai
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I was about to write about this. That's the reason in difficulty differences between making space ship hull and underwater craft hull. Space is considered 0 atm environment so it's a matter of 1 atm pressure difference between inside of a ship and outside. While for submarines atm pressure differences are much, much greater. Every 10m of water = 1 atm. At sea level you have 1 atm of pressure. At 10m depth you have 2 atm of pressure. At 100m depth you have... yeah, you guessed it: 11 atm of pressure.

SO I don't sea how space ships could work submerged. But sub-SRV... That be great.
 

[DOOK] Droogie

[DOOK] Droogie
Shiro Akai said:
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I was about to write about this. That's the reason in difficulty differences between making space ship hull and underwater craft hull. Space is considered 0 atm environment so it's a matter of 1 atm pressure difference between inside of a ship and outside. While for submarines atm pressure differences are much, much greater. Every 10m of water = 1 atm. At sea level you have 1 atm of pressure. At 10m depth you have 2 atm of pressure. At 100m depth you have... yeah, you guessed it: 11 atm of pressure.

SO I don't sea how space ships could work submerged. But sub-SRV... That be great.
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Shields could handle the pressure.
 

Vardaugas

Vardaugas
Ship hulls will need to be able to handle a few atmospheres worth of pressure if we get atmospheric landing. They would need to be fit to land in places where humans can live, so I'd say around 10 atmospheres or so, past that normal breathing would quickly become rather lethal, even if the mix were right with capillaries popping and bones rotting. For higher pressures hull reinforcement modules could be added.
 

JosiahD

JosiahD
DukeIronHand said:
Out exploring the galaxy in my Cobra Mk III and came across a Water World just basking in the sunshine looking very nice.
Quite the contrast from the grey, wet, and cold day outside my house.
Thought how cool it would be to be able to interact with this planet. Hopefully someday...

Anyway that got me wondering.
As the current ED ship "equipment and technology" is understood could (should?) our ships be capable of underwater operations? I would think but I may be missing something obvious.
Anyone want to guess? :D
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I prefer the idea of SRV variants that allow exploration of water worlds - amphibious and submersible options in particular. I think some ships like the Moray Starboat (if added to the game) could also be used for such operations, but I think the SRV option will make more sense. Would be easy enough for Frontier to treat 'landing' on a water world as the ship hovering (they're already capable of that on current landable planets) during launching and retrieval of such SRV variants.
 
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Siranui

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Droogie said:
Shields could handle the pressure.
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Sure; that could be handwaved as being a legitimate in-game way around the issue... we know that some kind of shield can be used to seal 1 Atm of pressure in a station, so FD could decided that 'submarine shields' are possible - perhaps as standard, perhaps as a specialised addition. Although I am not too sure how the thrusters would work if they were spraying plasma into a 'sealed' shield!
 
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