Elite Dangerous ELUA and DXVK

[John Rhys]

Since DXVK (Running DirectX 11 native over Vulkan in Wine on Linux) runs DX11 a bit different than native Windows, i'd like to know if this is considered "modifying" the Game in such a way, that it does contradict the licence agreement.

Basically, will i get banned for doing such a thing? (Maybe i should post that in the support forum?)

 

[Whitehair]

(Maybe i should post that in the support forum?)

Probably good idea. No-one here will have a clue about how FD think about your question!

 

[IndigoWyrd]

Since DXVK (Running DirectX 11 native over Vulkan in Wine on Linux) runs DX11 a bit different than native Windows, i'd like to know if this is considered "modifying" the Game in such a way, that it does contradict the licence agreement.

Basically, will i get banned for doing such a thing? (Maybe i should post that in the support forum?)

While the Support folk would be your best bet to get an answer about what Frontier thinks on this, I will say that Frontier does not own DirectX 11 or Vulkan.

DirectX 11 is the property of Microsoft, and even suggesting that it might be otherwise is a violation of at least 9 different Microsoft End User License Agreements and can result in the most severe of penalties, up to, and including, being forced to become an iOS Darwin user for three reincarnations.

Vulkcan is a sort of kludge of things AMD couldn't figure out how to make work (Mantle) and bits of OpenGL. Like most things Linux-based, no one really cares what anyone does with it.

And I'm not even an anti-Linux person - I actually like it, I just don't want to put that much effort into trying to have fun and hoping that it works at least 80% as well as in the environment where it was intended to run.

That said though, I do run a Linux-based mail server, PXE server, router for my render farm, and a Linux VM for when I want to fiddle around in Linux.

Sadly, Linux will never be a substitute for actual Windows for running Windows-based applications - it just won't. I accepted this as immutable fact well over two decades ago. The whole "trying to get X to run in Y" is just not time well spent and not worth the effort.

 

[Shadowdancer]

Vulkcan is a sort of kludge of things AMD couldn't figure out how to make work (Mantle) and bits of OpenGL.

Not quite.

Mantle was AMD developing a very low-level API for EA; Vulkan then was Khronos finally realising that OpenGL had been a festering pile of ungoverned garbage for over a decade already, and building a fairly robust and standardised system around it under a different name (attempts to screw it up by nvidia and now Khronos themselves with their dilution-for-mobile-and-Apple programme notwithstanding). It is by no means "a Linux thing", but as "evil corporate" as it gets.

Direct3D 12 is really very much the same in providing low-level access to graphics hardware, just with worse platform support.

 

[xondk]

Sadly, Linux will never be a substitute for actual Windows for running Windows-based applications - it just won't. I accepted this as immutable fact well over two decades ago. The whole "trying to get X to run in Y" is just not time well spent and not worth the effort.

I don't know, especially with vulkan of late and the efforts to get directx emulated, as well as the various dependencies that windows games relies on, it has taken quite strong steps forward of late, and the impression i'm getting is that they are closing in.

Gaming is the only thing really that linux is behind windows. and when that gap closes enough.... I'm still optimistic.

 

[IndigoWyrd]

I don't know, especially with vulkan of late and the efforts to get directx emulated, as well as the various dependencies that windows games relies on, it has taken quite strong steps forward of late, and the impression i'm getting is that they are closing in.

Gaming is the only thing really that linux is behind windows. and when that gap closes enough.... I'm still optimistic.

You're forgetting:

Malware
AdWare
SpyWare
Viruses

I don't know, I generally think of the following whenever I think about Linux:

1. Network and IT Professional who want something they'll likely never have to touch again until it actually dies.
2. People in 3rd World Countries where Import/Export Laws Prohibit them from having anything newer than Windows 98.
3. Broke as a Joke Europeans who cobble PC's together out of things they find in bins behind office buildings - and post YouTube Videos about this Awesome Thing they Just Built for 1.89 of whatever currency they use.
4. Hardcore Geeks that will never move out of their parents' basements.
5. People who can't let go of typing RUN C:\Progra~1\Fronti~1\Elite~1\EliteC~1.exe - especially those who are still waiting to see "Press Play on Tape" after hitting Enter
6. People who enjoy doing everything the hardest way possible.

And as I said above - I really do not dislike Linux. I respect it, especially for professional applications, servers and routers. It's great.
As a mainstream, The Must Have Operating System... I'd honestly not ever want to see it there. It's perfectly fine being #2 behind Windows, and ahead of #3 Mac OS. The more popular it becomes the more exploited it will become, and when that happens... why bother?

 

[babelfisch]

You're forgetting:

Malware
AdWare
SpyWare
Viruses

I don't know, I generally think of the following whenever I think about Linux:

1. Network and IT Professional who want something they'll likely never have to touch again until it actually dies.
2. People in 3rd World Countries where Import/Export Laws Prohibit them from having anything newer than Windows 98.
3. Broke as a Joke Europeans who cobble PC's together out of things they find in bins behind office buildings - and post YouTube Videos about this Awesome Thing they Just Built for 1.89 of whatever currency they use.
4. Hardcore Geeks that will never move out of their parents' basements.
5. People who can't let go of typing RUN C:\Progra~1\Fronti~1\Elite~1\EliteC~1.exe - especially those who are still waiting to see "Press Play on Tape" after hitting Enter
6. People who enjoy doing everything the hardest way possible.

And as I said above - I really do not dislike Linux. I respect it, especially for professional applications, servers and routers. It's great.
As a mainstream, The Must Have Operating System... I'd honestly not ever want to see it there. It's perfectly fine being #2 behind Windows, and ahead of #3 Mac OS. The more popular it becomes the more exploited it will become, and when that happens... why bother?

LOL
I'd rep you if I could!