Elite is now a pay-to-win game...

z4.MAFIA · Jun 14, 2016

Forcing PvE elements on PvP players in order for them to stay competitive, infuriates them.

They are so infuriated, that countless have decided to pay someone else to grind away for them. This is creating a pay-to-win atmosphere which is NOT GOOD for Elite.

I will NOT be bored to death grinding PvE elements of the game and I will NOT pay someone else to be bored to death for me.

I've been playing since June 2014 with well over 4,000 hours invested and refuse to continue playing because of this.

Fix this FD or your game will die...

Shizuka · Jun 14, 2016

Yep, and now a tuned vulture will wreck an untuned one.

Willa Allason · Jun 14, 2016

By "PvE elements" I'm assuming you mean "Elite Dangerous". Go and play CQC then.

Sandmann · Jun 14, 2016

z4.MAFIA said:
Forcing PvE elements on PvP players in order for them to stay competitive, infuriates them.

I wonder if it's as frustrating for them as it is for PvE players being forced to PvP if they want multiplayer?

My thoughts on this are... "oh, boohoo."

Bacalao · Jun 14, 2016

Willa Allason said:
By "PvE elements" I'm assuming you mean "Elite Dangerous". Go and play CQC then.

Pretty much my thoughts exactly. PvP in an open world game can never be more than an amusing side feature that when taken too seriously...well, we all know what happens.

Mohrgan · Jun 14, 2016

OP, just how did you come across the credits to get into anything besides a Sidewinder? Pay to win? Your definition stretches credulity. Put your big boi pants on, and get good. It's not hard.

I bet you could go to YouTube and search for video's on how to gain influence with the Engineers. I bet someone from the Mobius group would even be willing to help you sort it out.

Rhaedas · Jun 14, 2016

Lord, if the enhancements that someone might get to a weapon or two on their ship will tip the balance against you that much...you're doing something wrong. Really, they aren't that uber powerful. Ask anyone who is getting them after what it takes, they aren't all that impressed. It's part of the problem, it's too much for too little.

h347h · Jun 14, 2016

Rule number one of online gaming never take PvP in a game not purely focused on PvP too seriously.

If you want a real PvP focused game that is well balanced and skill is the only determining factor hit up CQC.

Darth Ender · Jun 14, 2016

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that elite dangerous will be just fine. It will continue being fine years from now.

I've seen much much worse mmo's continue to exist with an active player base 10+ years being online. Elite is safe

Limoncello Lizard · Jun 14, 2016

Curious. this is the OP's last post from 2 weeks ago:

This game is called Elite: Dangerous for a reason. The NPC's are still NOT hard enough. I vote for making them even tougher.

One could have thought he liked PVE.

Sunleader · Jun 14, 2016

z4.MAFIA said:
Forcing PvE elements on PvP players in order for them to stay competitive, infuriates them.

They are so infuriated, that countless have decided to pay someone else to grind away for them. This is creating a pay-to-win atmosphere which is NOT GOOD for Elite.

I will NOT be bored to death grinding PvE elements of the game and I will NOT pay someone else to be bored to death for me.

I've been playing since June 2014 with well over 4,000 hours invested and refuse to continue playing because of this.

Fix this FD or your game will die...

Be Happy.
Players who got no Horizons first need to buy this to even be allowed Paying other Players to go Farming for them.

Given that some Upgrades can Increase Weapons Power Tremendously thats even more Unfair.

kofeyh · Jun 14, 2016

It's "endless grinding to maybe win at the lottery/ spin to win and you get perfect stat roll on first try" - the current mechanics are very debatable; arguably frontier whiffed the RNG aspect badly. But it's not pay to win.

Potential effort is required to gain an advantage; there is no such thing as a free lunch. If you want an edge, Horizons 2.1 provides it.

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Sunleader said:
Be Happy.
Players who got no Horizons first need to buy this to even be allowed Paying other Players to go Farming for them.

Given that some Upgrades can Increase Weapons Power Tremendously thats even more Unfair.

Shock, a newer update adds more things. I think that's called "value proposition" which is actually a fairly important part of a paid goods or service. As a side note, frontier doesn't believe in "fair" for the sake of it. This tends to be a surprise to many.

z4.MAFIA · Jun 14, 2016

QUOTE=Sandmann;4085983]I wonder if it's as frustrating for them as it is for PvE players being forced to PvP if they want multiplayer?
My thoughts on this are... "oh, boohoo."[/QUOTE]

QUOTE=Leo_Bartlet;4086059]Forcing PVP elements on PVE players in order for them to provide trolls with entertainment infuriates me, Dunno about anyone else.[/QUOTE]

PvE players are not forced to PvP if they don't want to. All they have to do is HIGH WAKE.

However, If PvP players want to stay competitive in 2.1, they are FORCED to be bored to tears with engineers.

Mohrgan said:
OP, just how did you come across the credits to get into anything besides a Sidewinder? Pay to win? Your definition stretches credulity. Put your big boi pants on, and get good. It's not hard?

PvP used to be a profitable venture with large player bounties until gold farmers ruined it. I made my money hunting players and collecting their large bounties.

It's obvious you're new to the game. The time of large player bounties was amazing. I wish you could have been there.

Cmdr Ultra · Jun 14, 2016

Darth Ender said:
I've seen much much worse mmo's continue to exist with an active player base 10+ years being online. Elite is safe

Exactly. The only thing dying is the OP with his unmodded ship.

z4.MAFIA · Jun 14, 2016

Limoncello Lizard said:
Curious. this is the OP's last post from 2 weeks ago:

This game is called Elite: Dangerous for a reason. The NPC's are still NOT hard enough. I vote for making them even tougher

One could have thought he liked PVE.

By making NPCs even harder, PvE players become even better pilots which aids in them becoming amazing PvP pilots at some point.

Sandmann · Jun 14, 2016

z4.MAFIA said:
PvE players are not forced to PvP if they don't want to. All they have to do is HIGH WAKE.

However, If PvP players want to stay competitive in 2.1, they are FORCED to be bored to tears with engineers.

oh. Perhaps you didn't get it the first time round so... "oh boohoo".

Play the game, or go play something else. There's more than combat here.

And it may not have occurred to you, but non PvP players in open are also "bored to tears" with being interdicted & shot at and forced to high wake for lulz. When you're a bit more sympathetic to them, maybe they'll be more sympathetic to you.

z4.MAFIA · Jun 14, 2016

Sandmann said:
oh. Perhaps you didn't get it the first time round so... "oh boohoo".

Play the game, or go play something else. There's more than combat here.

And it may not have occurred to you, but non PvP players in open are also "bored to tears" with being interdicted & shot at and forced to high wake for lulz. When you're a bit more sympathetic to them, maybe they'll be more sympathetic to you.

What makes you think I don't want to see the player base in open thrive? Let me know when you actually want to play Elite how it was meant to be played.

When the time comes for you to take your first steps into open, I would be happy to be there. Whether you need backup or some PvP tips, I want to see you and everyone else become an awesome pilot.

CMDR Derrida · Jun 14, 2016

Sandmann said:
oh. Perhaps you didn't get it the first time round so... "oh boohoo".

Play the game, or go play something else. There's more than combat here.

And it may not have occurred to you, but non PvP players in open are also "bored to tears" with being interdicted & shot at and forced to high wake for lulz. When you're a bit more sympathetic to them, maybe they'll be more sympathetic to you.

We are sympathic, Roses are red, violets are blue, open is for pvp and mobius is for you

CMDR Holy Hitman · Jun 14, 2016

z4.MAFIA said:
Forcing PvE elements on PvP players in order for them to stay competitive, infuriates them.

They are so infuriated, that countless have decided to pay someone else to grind away for them. This is creating a pay-to-win atmosphere which is NOT GOOD for Elite.

I will NOT be bored to death grinding PvE elements of the game and I will NOT pay someone else to be bored to death for me.

I've been playing since June 2014 with well over 4,000 hours invested and refuse to continue playing because of this.

Fix this FD or your game will die...

WOW YOU HAVE TO PLAY THE GAME TO GET UPGRADES?

In all seriousness, you didn't get "forced" to do pve elements in 2.1... that's how it's always been. You make 0 credits from pvp (unless you're killing wanted players which I doubt is the case)

My only problem with 2.1 is I think that if i want to do combat, I shouldn't need to do trading and exploring too, to get mats for upgrades. They should be accessable from all playsyles.

Verax · Jun 14, 2016

h347h said:
If you want a real PvP focused game that is well balanced and skill is the only determining factor hit up CQC.

This is such a stupid myth-- the CQC game mode is more simplistic and unbalanced and arcady as the worst COD game in existence. It is an extremely low skill mode. If it were great then it would attract a large following and it simply doesn't.