Enclosure size, misleading information

[Dienstbier]

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Hi there,
I have noticed this many times, but again and again I assumed that I was wrong, or it was not so important because I kept smaller animals in the zoo, where the enclosure was usually mercilessly oversized anyway.

But I didn't want to chat between the polar bears now.

I noticed that Zoopedia only shows the size of the enclosure for 1 animal. At least with the hippo.

Although the minimum group size is 3 animals.
There is also no indication of how many square meters each additional animal needs.

In my opinion, this should be changed.

It should state what the minimum group size needs and then how much space you have to plan for each additional animal.

I had built a nice big enclosure for my hippos with significantly more space than the 2008sqm specified.

4000 square meters of land and almost 3000 square meters of water is not exactly little.

And assumed I could hold a larger group there.
I was clearly wrong.

10 hippos each need 5522sqm of water AND land.
Over 11,000 square meters in total.

I swallowed hard.

Two animals each need 1506sqm of water and land, but then the group size is still not suitable.

I find that very exaggerated, but no matter how it was decided and good. I'm not upset about that.

But please adjust it in Zoopedia so that you know in advance how to plan.

Now here in the sandpit it doesn't matter.

But if you do that in the challenge and the enclosure is too small due to the misleading information, and it cannot be enlarged at the point, that is really a problem.

Above all, the guests don't care if an animal eats directly in front of them, if they think they want to see a certain animal of the breed and that is at the other end of the enclosure, or even down in the trade center, all other animals are ignored.

Which of course also worsens the satisfaction of the guests and who complain about the poor view.


Thank you very much

Gabi


Zoopedia

Two Hippos


Ten hippos

 

[Lea_G]

Yes, it would be really useful to see the requirements for more animals in the Zoopedia, it should tell us the minimum for one animal and how much to add for each additional one.

There is a fan-made zoopedia website which has the most useful thing: http://planetzoopedia.com/habitat-builder/
You just select how many animals of a species you want and it calculates the minimum space. I would still plan the habitats larger than the minimum the app suggests, since we "lose" traversable area with rocks and other items, but it makes planning a lot easier. I am so grateful it exists!

 

[NL_Mutso]

Habitat size/animals: http://planetzoopedia.com/habitat-builder/
In Zoopedia - more difficult with multiple species in habitat.. Easy tool works fine..

 

[Dienstbier]

GoogleTranslator:

Thanks the one with the link is a very good idea. Unfortunately not suitable for me. I cannot access the Internet while playing. My laptop is already overloaded with the game. If I were to search the Internet on the side, I could either wait an hour for the laptop to respond, or the game would crash. In my opinion, it should be obvious from the game itself. So there is Zoopedia, that you know what you need for your animals. It shouldn't be a problem for Frontier to fix this.

 

[NL_Mutso]

So there is Zoopedia, that you know what you need for your animals. It shouldn't be a problem for Frontier to fix this.

There are different factors when i comes too multiple different species in habitat. Zoopedia will never solve that.
Or they could just add a similar calculator as an extra tab in the game/zoopedia.

 

[LN]

GoogleTranslator:

Thanks the one with the link is a very good idea. Unfortunately not suitable for me. I cannot access the Internet while playing. My laptop is already overloaded with the game. If I were to search the Internet on the side, I could either wait an hour for the laptop to respond, or the game would crash. In my opinion, it should be obvious from the game itself. So there is Zoopedia, that you know what you need for your animals. It shouldn't be a problem for Frontier to fix this.

Don't you have a Smartphone?

 

[Dienstbier]

I think I was misunderstood.

I am not interested in a mixed living space.
ONLY the hippo is present in the hippo enclosure.

Zoopedia provides information on the keeping of a hippo.

But keeping these animals requires at least three hippos.

Three hippos already need space of 2008sqm.

The specification with 1004 sqm as in Zoopedia is by no means correct.
Because the animal would be so unhappy because it would be alone and there are no other species.

Every other conspecific, but needs additional space. This is also not in Zoopedia.
This should also be entered with how many square meters the animal species is.

For example like this:

Zoopedia:
Hippopotamus
Enclosure size for the minimum group of 3 animals 2008sqm of land
2008sqm water

Every additional animal
additionally
500sqm of land
500sqm of water


So you would know from the start how you can plan for this species without building a too small enclosure and then having too many animals.


Yes, I have a smartphone, the battery is defective and I don't use it for the Internet, otherwise it is always empty.

Not a good situation, I know.
But I cannot have my PC or my smartphone repaired.
I didn't know that the PC broke 10 days before Planet Zoo came out.
Otherwise I would not have pre-ordered.

This doesn't change the situation that Zoopedia in the game is misleading for me.


Three Hippos:

 

[Swjosdotschka]

I would have also linked the habitat-builder above. It's my lifesaver. You could always check the numbres before you play, or, as Luuk suggests, use your smart-phone (pluged in). But I worry the day we won't have access to this builder anymore. Don't want to live without it

I was sure there were an information on a + of every additionalneedes space before in the zoopedia... Weird.

 

[Dienstbier]

My smartphone is very and I don't want to plan in advance what I'm doing in my zoo.
I should also know what my animals need without additional help.

Frontier wants to show what is necessary to keep animals well.
They should then provide the information without confusing them.

Now I'm still testing in the sandbox how I can make everything so that guests and animals are happy despite the unusual terrain.

I sit there all night and do something completely different from what I was planning to do (mostly just messing around on the premises)

So far there are only two animal species in the zoo. (Without vivaria)
There were actually three.
But I didn't save the third one, because the area has to be worked on differently, otherwise there is too much stress for the animal.

I was very unpleasantly surprised that Zoopedia is so imprecise.
Unfortunately, as in the picture in the first post, I couldn't see anything that the other requirements are so huge.

I sensed that I would have to choose a much larger enclosure. Just not to the extent.

I assumed that the total of 2008 sqm for the minimum group size.
Not just for the first animal of this kind.


I also fear that this will be repeated for all the other animal species, without which I have now checked it.

 

[Arrakai]

Yep, it's the same for all animals (it's very very annoying when it comes to animals that require more than 5 to be happy). I agree that it is really annoying, happend quite alot that I made a habitat too small. Now I always try to make it at least doubble the size that the Zoopedia says, but sometimes that is still too small.
Would also love to see an update for the zoopedia so it at least shows the minimum space for the entire group if you need more than one animal

 

[NZFanatic]

I agree that the Planet Zoopedia builder is very useful, but I also agree with Dienstbier that this is information that ought to be available in-game. As others have said, adding it to the Zoopedia in a basic way (land/water/climbing area needed for one animal, +land/water/climbing area needed for additional animals) would be very useful as a start. It might not help with mixed-species exhibits but it would still be better than nothing.

 

[ShadowLilly]

Just make a sandbox with all the animals in an individual habitat, write down their space needed (or take over from zoopedia) and place a second one in it.. Take the difference and you have the space per extra animal

 

[DrBurrito]

Just make a sandbox with all the animals in an individual habitat, write down their space needed (or take over from zoopedia) and place a second one in it.. Take the difference and you have the space per extra animal

I had done that a while ago, here's the results if anyone needs it:

Additional Space | 1st | 2nd+
Aardvark | +330 | +60
African Buffalo | +420, 20 | +90, 10
African Elephant | +2151, 148 | +667, 74
African Wild Dog | +1162 | +92
Aldabra Tortoise | +230 | +5
American Bison | +420 | +90
Bactrian Camel | +650 | +100
Baird's Tapir | +430, 37 | +56, 19
Bengal Tiger | +705 | +111
Black Wildebeest | +410 | +40
Bongo | +240 | +30
Bonobo | +780, 80 | +50, 30
Bornean Orangutan | +780, 120 | +50, 40
Cheetah | +705 | +111
Chinese Pangolin | +182 | +16
Common Ostrich | +675 | +75
Common Warthog | +290 | +10
Formosan Black Bear | +950, 40 | +140, 16
Galapagos Tortoise | +230 | +5
Gemsbok | +270 | +40
Gharial | +210, 300 | +16, 30
Giant Panda | +900 | +150
Greater Flamingo | +300, 125 | +9, 12
Grizzly Bear | +750 | +50
Himalayan Brown Bear | +550 | +40
Hippopotamus | +1004, 1004 | +502, 502
Indian Elephant | +882, 67 | +204, 34
Indian Peafowl | +312 | +12
Indian Rhinoceros | +1000, 37 | +250, 19
Japanese Macaque | +300, 20 | +6, +8
Komodo Dragon | +600 | +80
Mandrill | +400, 40 | +8, 8
Nile Monitor | +300, 75 | +25, 19
Nyala | +300 | +30
Okapi | +1081 | +125
Plains Zebra | +510 | +180
Pronghorn | +370 | +60
Pygmy Hippo | +270, 270 | +30, 30
Red Panda | +220, 40 | +10, 16
Red Ruffed Lemur | +210, 20 | +8, 4
Reticulated Giraffe | +1306 | +332
Ring Tailed Lemur | +210, 20 | +8, 4
Sable Antelope | +450 | +60
Saltwater Crocodile | +210, 210 | +50, 105
Siberian Tiger | +705 | +111
Snow Leopard | +705 | +111
Spotted Hyena | +1162 | +92
Springbok | +425 | +55
Thomson's Gazelle | +425 | +55
Timber Wolf | +1162 | +92
West African Lion | +705 | +111
Western Chimpanzee | +780, 80 | +50, 30
Western Lowland Gorilla | +780, 40 | +50, 20

The second numbers after commas are either water area or climbing space depending on species. Since there was no animal that needed both, I used this template. And I agree this information should be present in the Zoopedia.

Note: Apologies for the weird format since it doesn't let me add tables to existing text or use more spacing.