EVE Valkyrie comparisons to ED and SC

parablax

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How do you think EVE Valkyrie will compare to ED and SC? preview here

Launch trailer with OcR support do show a similar dog fighiting style to ED dogfighting alpha, but I guess that is where the similarities may end.

But certainly in 2014/15 most people will be satisfied by one or more of these upcoming games - getting excited :D .
 

Dalkeith

Dalkeith
Obviously the dogfighting between the three should be virtually the same.

I think it is likely to be released much later

I think CCP will be wary of it breaking their eve online game you almost can't have the two types of control - spreadsheet click and twitch in the same arena.

As such I see it being very carefully set up to be in arenas where you never come in contact with the main eve online game.

As such it represents as much a problem to CCP as an opportunity.
 

Smugallo

Smugallo
Ahh this is where valkerie is cool though, as far as I know target and lock by look at the target in oculus rift. I will be getting this when it comes out :)
 

Im_Lost

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Dalkeith said:
Obviously the dogfighting between the three should be virtually the same.

I think it is likely to be released much later

I think CCP will be wary of it breaking their eve online game you almost can't have the two types of control - spreadsheet click and twitch in the same arena.

As such I see it being very carefully set up to be in arenas where you never come in contact with the main eve online game.

As such it represents as much a problem to CCP as an opportunity.
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There is no way they will share the same servers. Eve is waaaay to laggy for FPS style combat like this, it would be unplayable.
 

jabokai

jabokai
Mazrocks said:
Ahh this is where valkerie is cool though, as far as I know target and lock by look at the target in oculus rift. I will be getting this when it comes out :)
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Indeed, I agree. The fact it's being built from the ground as a VR game means everything will have been designed with that in mind. Definitely getting this one, even if it is just for a quick blast in between ED or SC.
 

Memnoch

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NeoRacer said:
Ew. The gameplay looks twitchy, the cockpit looks cheap and the 3d ship models are 1997 horrible. Pass.
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It was a tech demo remember. Would you judge ED to be a horrible mess of a game because of the endless combat, boring repetitive missions and lack of trading based on its current incarnation?
 

TheDarkKnight

TheDarkKnight
The way I see it is that:

Eve Valkyrie: Is an add on to the current game almost a side aspect like Jump to light speed was to SWG. EvE is a online strategy/tactical game with huge numbers in a fight this is just optional aspect to add to the game play but not central to it.

Star Citizen: This has both sandbox and theme park aspects. The sandbox side is the Personal ship combat which is core to the game unlike EvE. This is a combat game which also happens to have exploring, trading in it. Unlike both the others it has a, theme park, single player mission led aspect in Squadron 42. While it has a great scope it is limited by the hand crafted aspects and small number of planets that can be visited.

Elite Dangerous: Is even more of a sand box than SC in that you get no single player mission structure, like SC, but just thrown out in to the PU, or the single player open universe similar to the original game, and left to your own devices. Unlike SC where combat is the top aspect I would say that Elite is more trading, exploring and political but also has good combat. The game will have a greater scope to explore and do but will not have the high resolution graphics that Star Citizen is aiming for.


In brief:

EvE Valkarie is more of an arcade extra, Star Citizen is a limited but epic looking graphical space sim with elements of both sandbox and theme park styles which can be played either PvE or PvP and Elite is a full sandbox evolving universe with, if played online, can only be done with PvP but may not look as good as Star Citizen since more procedural generation will be used to craft so many worlds.
 
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Commander Mick

Commander Mick
I Just Saw The Trailer For This.....

Looks interesting, but don't know if it will compare to Elite - Dangerous and Star - Citizen.

It's strange thing as I have a old friend who I've been telling all about Elite Dangerous to and he really not into it any more. Even though he used to play the original game a lot at my house back in the late 80's.

He 's more busy exstolling the virtues of Eve - Online and how it's so much better. He so done with other space-dog-fighting games he says.

So, I'm not sure what he'll think of this one.
 
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Peter Powers

Peter Powers
i've had the chance to play Valkyrie on the Oculus when it was still named EVR in April 2013, and i really enjoyed it as you can read in my blog .

Comparing EVR (or Valkyrie) with Elite: Dangerous is tough, since lets be honest, the Oculus Integration in ED is not working very well at the moment.

To me it seem impossible to get the convergence set right (a tool to do so other than the slider would be great, also i don't think you can go far enough with the slider), the lighting of objects is wrong (for example i have seen asteroids where opposite sides where light/dark depending on the eye, which makes it look somehow weird and out of place), and opposed to Valkyrie, you can feel tracking lag.
So keep in mind that the experience with ED atm is hopefully not how the final game will feel.

From what i remember Valkyrie feels a lot faster paced, more adrenaline pumping, and your ship feels smaller. If you have watched the new BSG, thats a lot like valkyrie felt - being catapulted from a carrier ship into an ansteroid, dogfighting in extremly small fighter crafts. In ED the ships feel a lot larger, the movement a lot slower and less agile.

I have no idea how CCP is going to integrate valkyrie with EVE (they just said they are going to), but i know they wont have you being able to control fighters in the current EVE battles (you can't dogfight with 1 second ticks (or longer in TIDI)).

The ED Alpha plays pretty much like i expected an Elite to play like.

SC.. i can't really compare SC to anything yet since so far all they have is a lot of artwork (and i don't play games exclusively for their looks), a hangar module (basically a viewer for their ships (no oculus support yet)) (EVE Players might call that module walking in stations), and a lot of conflicting information on how the gameplay will be (Kickstarter Campaign vs. CIG websites vs. what the community thinks).
 

Serpentstar

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Peter Powers said:
well hopefully there wont be any opting-out-of-pvp like planned for SC, that would kill the evolving sandbox factor.
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Each player can set up their own group, even as a group of one, where they will not encounter other users who are not part of that group.

To further add to that, every user can put any other user on an Ignore list that prevents the other person from being in your instance.

The only real exception is that if you have a bounty on your head, anyone can attack you, even if you have them on your ignore list.

What I don't know is if have someone on your ignore list, and you are part of a group, and someone in your group has a bounty, that they will still be able to attack by proxy.
 

Keen

Keen
Eve Valkyrie is probably the space game where it will be the most fun to fly around while wearing a Oculus Rift.

Sure, ED and SC will have OR support, but it's not built for VR™ like EV, which means they will be less immersive.

I'm more than happy to be proven wrong!
 

Slawkenbergius

Slawkenbergius
In its current state, Valkyrie looks like really good visceral fun. I just hope that fun doesn't go by the wayside because of some arcane integration with EVE, with unnecessary layers of complexity piled on top. Something I'll probably pick up when a consumer Rift is launched.
 

Cosmos

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I suspect they are clearly troubled by Elite and SC, hence the move.

I think its early days for the Occulus Rift on Elite but I suspect any issues will be addressed by the dev team as development moves on. No doubt a wise move to support VR.

Its funny really, people keep going on about the Occulus Rift and yet its not even a finished product yet. Its also worth bearing in mind that plenty of people are going to still be using monitors as well.

I still consider anything but Elite to be an imitation but then perhaps I am a little biased. :)
 

Tinman

Tinman
You know what they say...imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Here is the latest gameplay footage from EVE Valkyrie (GDC 2014).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQxuy5e7xx0

Notice what happens with the cockpit glass right at the end of the video.

I think a couple of devs over there have been playing quite a lot of ED lately. ;)
 
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