General / Off-Topic Exciting News People! And Happy New Year!

Moonax IRL

Moonax IRL
Gypsy12 said:
Greetings Folks.

If you have been stuck under a rock somewhere in another system for the past few years, you probably haven't heard of the EmDrive.

For the rest of you, it now seems to be really taking off!

For those unfamiliar with the topic, The EmDrive is a relatively new drive technology that is being examined around the world at the moment. Originally ridiculed, its inventor, Rodger Shawyer, is a British Satellite engineer who has really, really kept at it. Using a closed cavity called a "Frustum" a microwave signal is artificially generated within. Normally, one would expect nothing more than having a warm meal after unscrewing it.

However - That doesn't seem to be happening. (at least I know of no-one who has tried cooking dinner in it!) What does seem to be happening is that it is creating a thrust - and this is very important because:

A: Its a closed system. Nothing gets out of it! So how can the darned thing move? That's breaking a pretty fundamental tenant of physics, Newton's third law. That really - is a big problem.

B: It uses no fuel - Only electricity - So if it actually works, say goodbye to fuel needs for travelling in outer space. Just strap that solar panel or generator on!

C: Many people have said that it is a thermal thrust produced by something we have missed. (After we have tried really, really hard NOT to miss it) But here's the thing. Heat travels UP in an atmosphere. No matter what orientation we put it in... It still produces the same thrust. That kinda... kills that argument.

Im writing this, because I want to give folks a ray of hope for the New Year. I want them to forget about Trump, Syria and so much other stuff. It is something that is now beginning to worry pretty much every stoic scientist. Its no joke anymore.

And hope is a fine thing.

Here is an article from GeekWire:

http://www.geekwire.com/2016/impossible-emdrive-thruster-attracts-attention-skeptics/

As im somewhat involved, I can give you a few heads up.

1: We still don't know how it works. To be frank, we haven't a clue. Work in progress with some pretty intense ideas being dallied about. Paired Photons, Wave theory and even Dark Matter gets a peek in.
1b: Probably going to a combination of relatively normal factors, and Newtons third law stays intact.

2: The Chinese apparently have two in orbit. One on the "Tiangong 2" Station and another on a satellite. At least that's what CAST (or the China Academy of Space Technology) stated at a press conference recently.
2b: They have also stated that the want to get the technology into Chinese satellites as soon as possible.
2c: The Americans might be at it as well - on board the X-37 - Although this is a rumor.

3: Cannae -A direct competitor of the original inventors company (Rodger Shawyer's company "SPR") Are sending a CubeSat up next year to see if it stays for 6 months in LEO (Low Earth Orbit) If it does, Awesome. If not... Not good.
If it doesn't work, it will burn up after a few weeks.

3a: They (Cannae) also have a utterly awesome plan to launch a REAL (If this tech works) INTERSTELLAR(ish) Vehicle in the next few years. I cant rightly call it a "Probe" because all it will apparently do - Is go really, really fast--- 0.1% the speed of light over a 15 year period --- to a distance of 0.1 of a light-year.
This is quite a new challenge over on the NASA Advanced space flight Propulsion forums - A few people have now realized that actually communicating with the craft -as it is so distant and travelling so fast - is going to be extremely difficult. Its mainly a technical problem due to red shifting of signal. Could put micro-satellite relays on board, but that will increase the mass and naturally - slow it down.
But - I tell you what - It is awesome fun - to actually be in this situation and need to figure these things out!

Here is wishing you lot a full and vibrant new year, with open eyes and a open heart.

And less pessimism!

X

Gyp.
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Saw articles about this a few yrs back and NASA was testing the concept, thrust was detected but they did not understand the physics of same. Science should always be willing to be turned upside down if the proofs are viable.
 

AJW

AJW
If it works, exactly how is it going to change anything for most of us? I have neither the desire to move to Mars nor the money to pay for the resources I'd need to sustain myself if I got there...
 

Minonian

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Minonian
Moonax IRL said:
Saw articles about this a few yrs back and NASA was testing the concept, thrust was detected but they did not understand the physics of same. Science should always be willing to be turned upside down if the proofs are viable.
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That's right. To throw away something just because its turns up your world, or its changes things too much, is bad science. Where a scientist must be uncompromising? Its truth!
 

Gypsy12

Gypsy12
To the mod who changed the forum placement.

This was meant for the DD forum. What is better than giving people hope? better than discussing how slow things are ATM.
 

Ian Phillips

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Ian Phillips
Forum: Dangerous Discussion
Discuss anything relating to Elite: Dangerous

Forum: Off-Topic Discussion
Talk about anything you'd like in here not related to games, as long as it complies with the forum rules!

Happy new year!
 
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Minonian

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Minonian
Ian Phillips said:
Forum: Dangerous Discussion
Discuss anything relating to Elite: Dangerous

Forum: Off-Topic Discussion
Talk about anything you'd like in here not related to games, as long as it complies with the forum rules!

Happy new year!
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Is the off topic of the off topic is on topic? :D And if it's on topic it's punishable in the off topic session?

Happy new year!
 
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GJ51

GJ51
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I doubt Orange is the New Black will help the racists get over the horror of a black president.
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And I doubt that Liberals will ever get tired of calling anyone who doesn't agree with them racists.

So old, so tired - just like the whole globalist agenda.

Name call away - nobody is intimidated by it anymore.
 

Minonian

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Minonian
GJ51 said:
And I doubt that Liberals will ever get tired of calling anyone who doesn't agree with them racists.

So old, so tired - just like the whole globalist agenda.

Name call away - nobody is intimidated by it anymore.
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You are the other end. Also fooled by your media.

Edit; But true that. To them everyone standing to the right is racist. The problem? You are still far right, and everybody else standing to the left of you which makes em liberals to you.

About me?

Liberal to you, racist to him. ;) But in truth the likes of me are neither.

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GJ51

GJ51
Minonian said:
You are the other end. Also fooled by your media.

Edit; But true that. To them everyone standing to the right is racist. The problem? You are still far right, and everybody else standing to the left of you which makes em liberals to you.

About me?

Liberal to you, racist to him. ;) But in truth the likes of me are neither.

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No,

You as well as most today can't seem to understand the difference between political ideology and social engineering which leads to erroneous conclusions.

I don't give a hoot what you subscribe to on the social level. Live and let live; your personal behavior is none of my business .... until you try to impose it on me. Doesn't matter if it's from the left or the right.

The fact that I don't favor powerful centralized government has nothing to do with race.

Some people just can't accept that and thus want to propagate nonsense.
 

Minonian

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Minonian
Right... :D You have a lot of nonsense to justify to be this dumb.

Otherwise? "live and let live?" I can agree with this as far, your dumbness not harmful.
bad news! It is!!!

And you know The trash of you read and belíve? Just as much a sayermas's work than liberal and racist radical . And much more worst. its lowest even compared to these 2. you are my "friend" the third party of far whatever...

The difference? you are the radical of my side. But non the less? Radical!
 
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Minonian

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Minonian
Ian Phillips said:
Come on guys. Talk about the drive - it is interesting!
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It is. :) But non the less what we are arguing about part of the problems around the things like this drive. The dumbness of the fringe theory belívers... Bad advertisement.

Really bad. Non the less their problem is simple altrough they are noticed the absurdities of the "system" but did not noticed they cannot completely leave it. because if they do, than all is left is not the truth, but the dumbest stupidities. They can't accept anything because its the product of a corrupt system, instead they accept everything which goes against the mainstream simply out of rebellion.

And not everything is a lie, or bad. these 2 side is represents the half of the truths. but alone? They are just bad.

-"one yin and one yang, this is the Dao" ;)

Otherwise? I'm agree with you better to leave this. For my part, this is the end of it. But keep in mind to snuff out the heated debates not resolves the problem. so as far if its possible to keep constructive, and civilized even if a little intense? ;)

The truth also part of the system just as lie. the good also part of the things, just like bad.
 
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Gypsy12

Gypsy12
Agree with Ian. Back on topic peeps!

It's exciting stuff. There will be more ado about the Drive in the media shortly. Someone I respect very much has informed me a few similar setups are now reporting increased thrust - almost to a third of a newton apparently. It's one of the new TE0xx designs.
Still waiting on information regarding the designs with the new superconducting end plates though... nobody's saying s---- about that.
 

Minonian

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Minonian
Gypsy12 said:
Agree with Ian. Back on topic peeps!

It's exciting stuff. There will be more ado about the Drive in the media shortly. Someone I respect very much has informed me a few similar setups are now reporting increased thrust - almost to a third of a newton apparently. It's one of the new TE0xx designs.
Still waiting on information regarding the designs with the new superconducting end plates though... nobody's saying s---- about that.
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One third newton? that's comparable to Ion and plasma engines, if the energy requirements, and size / mass good enough, than this can be actually useful. Especially because there is no fuel need.
And honestly, who the hell cares how it's actually works if it's works good enough to be useful? The cavemans did not given a damn about how gravity works and still killed the mammoths with a huge rock. :p We going to have enough time to figure out the reasons, or at least write down the laws of this behavior later. But for this? Scientific, and engineering experiments are necessary.
 
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