Expansion Placement Bugged?

Greetings Commanders,

My faction recently expanded and according to what I had red things seemed bugged.
From my understanding, Factions expand to the nearest system with less than 7 factions present first, if not present to a random system.
Where we are based, within 13 LY there is a system with 5 factions and another with 6.
Instead of expanding to one of these systems we expanded to a system 23.3LY away.

Could the BGS be broken after the Carrier update?
 
From my understanding, Factions expand to the nearest system with less than 7 factions present first, if not present to a random system.
Where we are based, within 13 LY there is a system with 5 factions and another with 6.
Instead of expanding to one of these systems we expanded to a system 23.3LY away.
The expected order under current understanding is:

- systems with <7 factions, not 'restricted' [1], not previously retreated from, closest first
- systems with <7 factions, not 'restricted' [1], previously retreated from [2], closest first
- systems with 7 factions and a non-native faction not in a conflict, weakest target faction first [3]

So within that expected order I'd say the most likely explanations were:
- the closer systems are ones you've previously retreated from
- the closer systems are permit-locked

If neither of those is true then something more interesting may be going on - whether it's a bug, a sign of an intentional rules change, or a less obvious subtlety is hard to say at this stage.

(I would guess "not bug", though - the expansion rules have a bunch of subtleties to them which have been mistaken for bugs over the years but which turned out to be perfectly logical and consistent rules to handle obscure cases once enough data had been collected - and even today many popular BGS guides don't get the rules right)

[1] A few systems are completely locked to inbound expansion, like the superpower capitals, Shinrarta, and the starter systems. Permit systems are either impossible to expand to or incredibly difficult, the jury is still technically out. Unless you're conducting a research project treat permit systems as also impossible.

[2] Doesn't matter how many times you've previously retreated or when, just whether you have or not. Could have been years ago.

[3] There is some evidence that there may have been a recent rules change on this that means it can't ever target a controlling faction. Inconclusive for now.
 
We jumped to Mebech, election with a non-native faction is pending. Currently there are 8 factions there after we expanded.
We'd never been on other systems before. It's our 2nd expansion.
On the close systems they had at the time and still have 5 and 6 factions in.
 
Hard for me to see on mobile right now but it looks like Lokit was full until recently. Was it full when your expansion started?
 
Just checked Inara and the systems (Lokit and Gadjali) don't have restrictions on inbound expansion.
I'm leaning towards your third option and rules might have changed.

EDSM will show you the factions who've retreated from a system in the past - they have a strikethrough and appear at the end of the factions list. Yours might be there.
 
We jumped to Mebech, election with a non-native faction is pending. Currently there are 8 factions there after we expanded.
We'd never been on other systems before. It's our 2nd expansion.
On the close systems they had at the time and still have 5 and 6 factions in.
Okay, so you've gone to Invasion. In that case you should have gone to either Lokit or Gadjali even if you'd been there before.

Interesting. I'm not seeing any unexpected invasions for expansions near me, so a general rule change seems very unlikely.

Curious.
 
So..i found your issue. EDDN was 4 days out of date for Gadjali and 2 days out of date for Lokit. I have updated them. Both systems were filled by other factions before your faction expanded.

You need to watch your intended expansion systems, an empty slot means anyone can move in and it is best to have some sort of backup plan if possible. Since all nearby systems to you were filled you have moved to an invasion situation.
 
So..i found your issue. EDDN was 4 days out of date for Gadjali and 2 days out of date for Lokit. I have updated them. Both systems were filled by other factions before your faction expanded.

You need to watch your intended expansion systems, an empty slot means anyone can move in and it is best to have some sort of backup plan if possible. Since all nearby systems to you were filled you have moved to an invasion situation.

Thanks, I based on Inara to check the systems, i guess they were delayed too there.
With the current activity in the BSG feels like half of the systems have expansions going on, will be hard to "aim" for expansion.
Thank you all for the help and clarifications.
 
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