Like many of you might have noticed there happened something strange with the tradingsystem two days ago!
Michael Brookes explained in the gamma-bugs-forum that there was a delay with syncronising the galaxy wide trade data regularly since start of Gamma now five days ago. They fixed this bug two days ago and suddently all prices reacted a once!
Now my story and analysis of what happened and how to deal with it:
On first day of Gamma I started at Chemaku and made my way to Anlave. Around this system I traded Metals and the usual HithTech goods. The profit to and from Systems within 14ly was about 1k-1,8k per tonne. So i was able to buy a Type 6 with completely A systems. About 8 million credits in 3 days.
Then came the "crash-night"...
All my different tradingroutes broke down. Metals, Minerals, all products that are worth 6k+ credits got no profit. Not on one route, but on about 30 systems in that area. Then i startet writing down prices and they were everywhere the same! For example the GOLD that everyone loves
Before: buying at a hi-supply station 8,8k per tonne -> selling at a hi-demand station 10,4k per tonne. Galactic average at that point was about 9,5k.
After: EVERYWHERE where there was supply the price was EXACTLY 9900c per tonne. The stations without supply, but demand, were at 9,5k.
So i thought: Okay, its strange, that all routes dry out at once but i will try my luck in other parts of the galaxy!
100ly upwards to alliance: 9900c per tonne Gold on stations with supply...
okay... then 150ly to Sol! 9900c at Galileo...
hmpf... Lets visit the outer edges of the imperial space and their 5 biggest Extraction/Refinerysystems with BILLIONS of people. (The Imperium has the biggest Refinery Systems while the Federation has the most populated Hi-Tech Systems)
200ly nope! EVERYWHERE 9900c EXACTLY!
I flew around for 30 hours of gametime since, advance scanned 120 systems and traveled around the whole civilised space TWICE! with my AAA empty Type 6 with 25ly jumprange...
Nope... no good traderoutes for Hi-Tech or metals anywhere!
The market was killed and programmed for these materials. That didnt happen by bad luck.
Even Coffee and Tea are worth more and then returning Agri Meds, Farming Machines and Aqua Gear to the Agri-Planets.
I looks like we are told to trade other mid-value goods and be happy with 500-800c profit per tonne.
How trading works now:
A product from a supplier with a stock of high value goods (6k-12k) traded to a buyer is always around -200 to +500 credits. This is the fixed value for this product GALAXYWIDE. Before there where bigger FIXED BASEPROFITS to which you added your selffound timed specials.
SOMETIMES (in about 10% of all stations) there is a special price modifier to one or a few goods. A product with demand can have a higher price up to 1000 credits and a product with high supply can have a price of 1000 credits lower depending on the worth of the item.
This doesnt show on the galaxy map, not in the news and not in forums. This can only be found by visiting A LOT of stations.
Now you have found for example Berylium for 7,5k instead of 8,5k. This is one of the "hacked" goods (like gold) that has usually a profit of -100 credits from supplier to demand (or whatever system). So you will have here 900c profit just because its especially cheap!
Would you now find a system that has a SPECIAL demand this would add to this profit. For example you find a sytem that needs Berylium (for a limited time and/or ammount until the market synchronises again) this would add for example 800c per tonne.
Now you are at 1,7k profit! (-100 base +1000 cheap offer +800 special demand)
Finding this is rare when 10% chance on special offer and 10% on special demand within jumprange of 25ly
Now you have to hope that on the way back there is at least a commodity with 500c BASEPROFIT since its very unlikely that there is a special timed offer or demand that works on the way back...
Finding this route of two special places takes time. And then it resets after a while what frustrates...
Now we can hope that the BASEPROFITS that got hit by releasing all our tradedata two nights ago will recover by themselves over time and wont stay this way!
TLDR:
Before: high BASEPROFITS (gold from refinery to hightech 500c+) + special offer (-1000c sell and/or +1000c buy) (not timed due to a bug that got fixed now) -> 500c "meh routes" or 1,5k "yay! 3day-grindroutes"
Now: low or negative BASEPROFITS (gold from refinery to hightech -200c) + Special offer (-1000c sell and/or +1000c buy) (now timed to the galactic market.) -> -200c "BUG1!!11 routes" or 1k "at least something! timed routes"
I hope this explains the situation!
Fare well and good profits!
Cmdr Lord Shadmode
Michael Brookes explained in the gamma-bugs-forum that there was a delay with syncronising the galaxy wide trade data regularly since start of Gamma now five days ago. They fixed this bug two days ago and suddently all prices reacted a once!
Now my story and analysis of what happened and how to deal with it:
On first day of Gamma I started at Chemaku and made my way to Anlave. Around this system I traded Metals and the usual HithTech goods. The profit to and from Systems within 14ly was about 1k-1,8k per tonne. So i was able to buy a Type 6 with completely A systems. About 8 million credits in 3 days.
Then came the "crash-night"...
All my different tradingroutes broke down. Metals, Minerals, all products that are worth 6k+ credits got no profit. Not on one route, but on about 30 systems in that area. Then i startet writing down prices and they were everywhere the same! For example the GOLD that everyone loves
Before: buying at a hi-supply station 8,8k per tonne -> selling at a hi-demand station 10,4k per tonne. Galactic average at that point was about 9,5k.
After: EVERYWHERE where there was supply the price was EXACTLY 9900c per tonne. The stations without supply, but demand, were at 9,5k.
So i thought: Okay, its strange, that all routes dry out at once but i will try my luck in other parts of the galaxy!
100ly upwards to alliance: 9900c per tonne Gold on stations with supply...
okay... then 150ly to Sol! 9900c at Galileo...
hmpf... Lets visit the outer edges of the imperial space and their 5 biggest Extraction/Refinerysystems with BILLIONS of people. (The Imperium has the biggest Refinery Systems while the Federation has the most populated Hi-Tech Systems)
200ly nope! EVERYWHERE 9900c EXACTLY!
I flew around for 30 hours of gametime since, advance scanned 120 systems and traveled around the whole civilised space TWICE! with my AAA empty Type 6 with 25ly jumprange...
Nope... no good traderoutes for Hi-Tech or metals anywhere!
The market was killed and programmed for these materials. That didnt happen by bad luck.
Even Coffee and Tea are worth more and then returning Agri Meds, Farming Machines and Aqua Gear to the Agri-Planets.
I looks like we are told to trade other mid-value goods and be happy with 500-800c profit per tonne.
I think this happened to prevent us to get to far ahead of the 16th december players and looks like a sign they try to slow us down to not being forced to wipe at end of Gamma.
Whatever... But it would have been nice if someone told us before
Whatever... But it would have been nice if someone told us before
How trading works now:
A product from a supplier with a stock of high value goods (6k-12k) traded to a buyer is always around -200 to +500 credits. This is the fixed value for this product GALAXYWIDE. Before there where bigger FIXED BASEPROFITS to which you added your selffound timed specials.
SOMETIMES (in about 10% of all stations) there is a special price modifier to one or a few goods. A product with demand can have a higher price up to 1000 credits and a product with high supply can have a price of 1000 credits lower depending on the worth of the item.
This doesnt show on the galaxy map, not in the news and not in forums. This can only be found by visiting A LOT of stations.
Now you have found for example Berylium for 7,5k instead of 8,5k. This is one of the "hacked" goods (like gold) that has usually a profit of -100 credits from supplier to demand (or whatever system). So you will have here 900c profit just because its especially cheap!
Would you now find a system that has a SPECIAL demand this would add to this profit. For example you find a sytem that needs Berylium (for a limited time and/or ammount until the market synchronises again) this would add for example 800c per tonne.
Now you are at 1,7k profit! (-100 base +1000 cheap offer +800 special demand)
Finding this is rare when 10% chance on special offer and 10% on special demand within jumprange of 25ly
Now you have to hope that on the way back there is at least a commodity with 500c BASEPROFIT since its very unlikely that there is a special timed offer or demand that works on the way back...
Finding this route of two special places takes time. And then it resets after a while what frustrates...
Now we can hope that the BASEPROFITS that got hit by releasing all our tradedata two nights ago will recover by themselves over time and wont stay this way!
TLDR:
Before: high BASEPROFITS (gold from refinery to hightech 500c+) + special offer (-1000c sell and/or +1000c buy) (not timed due to a bug that got fixed now) -> 500c "meh routes" or 1,5k "yay! 3day-grindroutes"
Now: low or negative BASEPROFITS (gold from refinery to hightech -200c) + Special offer (-1000c sell and/or +1000c buy) (now timed to the galactic market.) -> -200c "BUG1!!11 routes" or 1k "at least something! timed routes"
I hope this explains the situation!
Fare well and good profits!
Cmdr Lord Shadmode
