Exploration data during elections

User Deleted

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Ahoy there CMDRs.

I'm doing a retrospection on an election that a MF I'm supporting lost against another MF where I expected to face some moderate opposition from other CMDRs.

Here's a table that shows the trend of influences over the 4 days of the election. "Faction A" is the system controlling MF and was not in a conflict state, "Faction B" is the MF I'm supporting and "Faction C" is the MF that was being supported by other CMDRs. The election was between Faction B and C.

MFDay 1Day 2Day 3Day 4
Faction A43.437.2 (-6.2)34.6 (-2.6)31.5 (-3.1)
Faction B25.926.4 (+0.5)26.2 (-0.2)27.2 (+1.0)
Faction C21.124.1 (+3.0)26.6 (+2.5)31.7 (+5.1)


On the first day of the election I sold 200 systems worth of exploration data and the MF gained 0.5% INF, 350 systems on the second day which resulted in a loss of 0.2% INF for the MF and finally 500 systems on the third day that gained the MF 1.0% INF. During the same period "Faction C" gained 3.0%, 2.5% and 5.1% INF for those days.

Is there a limit on the influence a MF that is in an election state (and is facing active opposition) can gain from a single CMDR selling exploration data to a single station or did the opposing side simply outperform me by a huge margin? Every system sold was worth over 1,000 CR and "Faction B" only has a single station as an asset.

I'm especially curious about the third day where I sold 500 systems worth of exploration data and only gained a 1.0% boost for "Faction B" against the 5.1% boost of "Faction C".

Am I reading the situation correctly by assuming that either "Faction C" gained somewhere between 1,500 and 2,500 transactions worth of positive actions on the third day, or is there a transactional limit on exploration data during elections per CMDR/station/visit?

I'd really appreciate any insight you guys might have.
 

User Deleted

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I forgot to mention that the population of the system is close to 10,000,000,000 with seven faction. It's safe to assume no other factions received any support during that period.
 

Schlack

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Traffic, the curse of the BGSser.

Always check traffic reports. The the total and the ship types will give you some kind of indication of how much and what activity is happening in system.
 

Alshain

Alshain
Schlack said:
Always check traffic reports. The the total and the ship types will give you some kind of indication of how much and what activity is happening in system.
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This is heavily dependent on your location. If your like me and your systems neighbor a hotspot (Engineer or whatever). The traffic report is almost useless.
 

User Deleted

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I'm starting to think that exploration data does not have any effects during election. Please, hear me out.

A second election in the same system as from my original post has been taking place over the last few days and I'd like to share with you some interesting observations.

MFDay 1Day 2Day 3Day 4
Faction A40.538.1 (-2.4)38.6 (+0.5)41.4 (+2.8)
Faction C28.934.1 (+5.2)34.9 (+0.8)33.4 (-1.5)

Again, I'm expecting to be facing active opposition from 2-4 relatively inexperienced CMDRs that will be supporting "Faction C".

On the first day of the election I sold 300 systems worth of exploration data and "Faction A" lost 2.4% influence, this is pretty much the exact same thing I was seeing in the prior election in which the MF I was supporting then lost. On the second day I decided to change tactics and completed 116 transactions worth of missions and sold 150 systems worth of exploration data and that resulted in a 0.5% increase in influence for "Faction A". On the last day I decided to focus solely on missions and completed 223 transaction worth of missions that gave "Faction A" a 2.8% increase, securing the victory.

To re-cap: On the day I only sold exploration data the MF lost influence, on the day I hedged my bets and did a mix of missions and exploration data the MF held their ground, and on the day I went all in on missions and skipped exploration data completely the MF gained a good bit of influence.

Is anyone in a position to test this out in a system that's not seeing as much backround activity as this one?
I'd be interested to find out what happens in an election where you do 50 transaction worth of missions for one MF, while selling 100 systems worth of exploration data for the other MF. I have a sneaking suspicion that the faction that completed the missions will gain the bulk of the influence for that day.
 
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Starwolfe

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Dana Qwent said:
I forgot to mention that the population of the system is close to 10,000,000,000 with seven faction. It's safe to assume no other factions received any support during that period.
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From my experiences, population sizes play a significant role in regards to exploration effectiveness.

The more people, the more valuable the systems needed to make a significant change.
 

Sentenza

Sentenza
Data absolutely has effect in election, and it still works in beta (tested).

How are you selling data? Whole pages or single systems?
 

User Deleted

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I’m selling whole pages and the exploration data is from random econ-route jumping outside the bubble. I do a DSS scan of the star if the honk reveals less than three stars or planets, so all the systems pay over 1,000 CR. Is it possible then that the threshold for exploration data transactions has been raised over 1,000 CR, or is somehow related to the target system population size as Starwolfe suggested?
 

Sentenza

Sentenza
Dana Qwent said:
I’m selling whole pages and the exploration data is from random econ-route jumping outside the bubble. I do a DSS scan of the star if the honk reveals less than three stars or planets, so all the systems pay over 1,000 CR. Is it possible then that the threshold for exploration data transactions has been raised over 1,000 CR, or is somehow related to the target system population size as Starwolfe suggested?
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No, we already nailed the main problem: selling whole pages has greatly reduced effect. This is probably by design, to reduce casual impact of returning explorers on BGS. If you want full effect, you need to switch to selling single systems.

In fact I found myself in this very same situation, shortly after whole page effect was introduced. That taught me to not trust announcements :)
 

User Deleted

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Oh really? I was under the impression that exploration data pages were counted as 50 transactions as of 3.1.

But thanks! I’ll be selling exploration data one system at a time from here on out.
 

Jmanis

Jmanis
Dana Qwent said:
Oh really? I was under the impression that exploration data pages were counted as 50 transactions as of 3.1.
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You are correct.

Ensure that faction effects are the same from selling exploration data for pages as well as individual star systems, and balance those faction effects to have roughly the same galactic impact as before this release
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If you're observing otherwise it's worth a bugreport.
 

Jane Turner

Volunteer Moderator
Jane Turner
Setenza is correct. We have found that whilst selling a page of systems is no longer worth 1 transaction, it is not worth the same as selling them singly. Its one of those things that needs testing after each patch though
 

Sentenza

Sentenza
In fact, what I found is that selling one page is worth full effect in absence of other actions, while it is worth little if there are other actions. To me it looks like selling a page still counts as "one transaction", but that one transaction has been given more absolute value. But lots of small transactions always trump one greater transaction.
 

Sentenza

Sentenza
Jmanis said:
Surely that should be burgreported then?

I'm not, because I don't have the evidence.
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Well we do have the evidence. Just like OP I smashed my head for days before understanding what was happening. The best guess is that it is not a bug but a deliberate choice, so returning explorers with enormous amount of data do not unknowingly screw up BGS.
 
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