Explorer Warning. "Discovered By" tag is broken for large systems.

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pluton

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Yesterday was a day trip, exploring 700ly from Sol to tag some undiscovered systems while stocks last. What I discovered was that it doesn't work for large systems.

When I returned to sell the data, a large 3-star system with several Terraforming Candidates sold for 150,000cr. That's nice, but even though I had Detailed Surface Scanned every body in the system, the only body which showed "Detailed Surface Scan" in the cartography sale report, and the only body which gained a "First Discoverer" bonus, was one of the stars. None of the planets.

Similar happened for other large systems. The "Detailed Surface Scan" tag was missing from some or all of the bodies in the cartography report, and those didn't get the Bonus or the "Discovered By" tag.

It seems that the selling price does include the Detailed Scan bonus (eg. stars approx. 1200cr) even if the Detailed Scan tag is missing.
The problem did not occur for smaller systems.
 

AnnuverScotinExile

AnnuverScotinExile
pluton said:
Yesterday was a day trip, exploring 700ly from Sol to tag some undiscovered systems while stocks last. What I discovered was that it doesn't work for large systems.

When I returned to sell the data, a large 3-star system with several Terraforming Candidates sold for 150,000cr. That's nice, but even though I had Detailed Surface Scanned every body in the system, the only body which showed "Detailed Surface Scan" in the cartography sale report, and the only body which gained a "First Discoverer" bonus, was one of the stars. None of the planets.

Similar happened for other large systems. The "Detailed Surface Scan" tag was missing from some or all of the bodies in the cartography report, and those didn't get the Bonus or the "Discovered By" tag.

It seems that the selling price does include the Detailed Scan bonus (eg. stars approx. 1200cr) even if the Detailed Scan tag is missing.
The problem did not occur for smaller systems.
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Yup. Ticketed by several of us. Several threads like this one giving warnings, too. Seller beware!
 

Pete

Pete
Thanks for the warning guys - I'm out exploring now, and I'll take care not to come back before this is fixed!

-- Pete.
 

Axeman3d

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I'm the same, out a few 1000Ly and had started working my way back to sell the data. Think I'll stick around a while and wait to see if its fixed.
 

remosito

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was 1500LY from Sol on my backleg when I learned about this one. Decided to extend my travels some and hoping it is on the sell end of things. And gets fixed before my Hull reaches dangerously low levels... ;-)

Might not be the only bug though: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=115630 sounds different...


Kinda funny the first discovered tag is why I decided to cut my trip short (was planning to head to center). And it being bugged is why I am now extending it again....
 
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CMDR Flaxton

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I also returned from a 10 day outing fully scanning well over 120 complete systems out approx 800l/y towards Rigel.
When I finally returned, I had several systems pop up that I was the discoverer but when I had a look at the data to sell, it was showing that only a couple of bodies within each system had been "detailed surface scanned" where as I know every body had been scanned.
Not sure if this detracted from the income which I should have received or if I have missed out on discovery tags, but there does seem to be a lot of errors in the exploration system.

I was due to start heading as far as I could above the galactic plane from my home base but i may leave it a while and BH / Trade until fixes are either made or it's confirmed this is how the system is designed to be.

CMDR Flaxton
 

Boff'in

Boff'in
Lawd 26 was hinted at in Galnet to be a high-metal rich system (only 22 ly from Sol)

I made the treck from Yembo, (sold my weapons and bought mining equipment and refinery).

Just asteroids, and I found a rocky ring planet with my basic scanner, and eyes.

Even after scanning there was no discover tag.
So I though the slots were open - dashed back to sol and nix I didn't get a discovery tag.
 

jefc_uk

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pluton said:
Yesterday was a day trip, exploring 700ly from Sol to tag some undiscovered systems while stocks last. What I discovered was that it doesn't work for large systems.

When I returned to sell the data, a large 3-star system with several Terraforming Candidates sold for 150,000cr. That's nice, but even though I had Detailed Surface Scanned every body in the system, the only body which showed "Detailed Surface Scan" in the cartography sale report, and the only body which gained a "First Discoverer" bonus, was one of the stars. None of the planets.

Similar happened for other large systems. The "Detailed Surface Scan" tag was missing from some or all of the bodies in the cartography report, and those didn't get the Bonus or the "Discovered By" tag.

It seems that the selling price does include the Detailed Scan bonus (eg. stars approx. 1200cr) even if the Detailed Scan tag is missing.
The problem did not occur for smaller systems.
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Gahhh I travelled 15,000 LY to a nebula and am now coming back. It's a pretty cool destination so I was pleasantly surprised to find a lack of 'First Discovered By' tags in the core systems. I scanned a few tasty systems and am now heading back. I'd be gutted to not get the first discovery recognition after 30,000 LY of travel, but equally I'm paranoid that someone else will get it first so was in the process of hot-footing it back as quickly as possible!! This is on top of the increased interdictions which I've heard I am likely to encounter in the last 500 LY.

I mean, it's only a game so if it goes t*ts up I won't lose any sleep over it, but I've put A LOT of effort into getting the credit for these systems so I fear my attitude to the the game would suffer...

That's all - rant over! Hopefully they'll fix it before I get back.
 

remosito

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jefc_uk said:
Gahhh I travelled 15,000 LY to a nebula and am now coming back. It's a pretty cool destination so I was pleasantly surprised to find a lack of 'First Discovered By' tags in the core systems. I scanned a few tasty systems and am now heading back. I'd be gutted to not get the first discovery recognition after 30,000 LY of travel, but equally I'm paranoid that someone else will get it first so was in the process of hot-footing it back as quickly as possible!! This is on top of the increased interdictions which I've heard I am likely to encounter in the last 500 LY.

I mean, it's only a game so if it goes t*ts up I won't lose any sleep over it, but I've put A LOT of effort into getting the credit for these systems so I fear my attitude to the the game would suffer...

That's all - rant over! Hopefully they'll fix it before I get back.
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That is the dilemma isn't it!

Do I want to potentially loose the tags on those systems I really would like to have my name on to another player by delaying the return. Or for sure loose the tags on a lot of objects due to this bug by returning now....

Decided I prefer loosing it to another player than a bug....especially as the bug seems to hit the systems where I put the most work in by scanning a lot of them!
 

AnnuverScotinExile

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marx

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I have had bodies I scanned come back as Unexplored sometimes when I logged out and back into the same system. I haven't really been able to reliably reproduce this, but I guess that the data on what you've scanned does not always match up between the client and the server, hence the missing results. It's good to know that I'm not alone with seeing such errors: I'll try reproducing them again then. Thanks for all the info!
 

catanonia

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remosito said:
Having a scan not register at all and the whole system being unexplored to the point you can't even go into it's system map is not the same as having "first discovered tag" not being registered. Well in my book at least.
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I suspect it is 2 separate bugs and luckily I logged all my systems I scanned as I went about my 5 day trip.

1. Systems not logged completely and hence not showing even though spent 1/2 hour in them scanning them completely in the galaxy map.
2. % of objects in systems not credited as scanned and showing still as undiscovered and not credited as 1st discoverer.
 
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AnnuverScotinExile

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remosito said:
Having a scan not register at all and the whole system being unexplored to the point you can't even go into it's system map is not the same as having "first discovered tag" not being registered. Well in my book at least.
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That would certainly be a variant on it. If you said that later in your thread, then my apologies - I was going on the first post.
 

AnnuverScotinExile

AnnuverScotinExile
catanonia said:
I suspect it is 2 separate bugs and luckily I logged all my systems I scanned as I went about my 5 day trip.
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I have most of mine logged, too. But I don't know all the errors, because I did not spot the problem immediately. Nevertheless, it should be easy for FD to do a database query to find the issues: systems where you have details of an object but that object is not flagged as discovered by anybody. To not catch those where you have not claimed them yet, they would need to check for other objects in the system where you do have first finder. I'm not sure they will have the data to spot the problems where nothing was flagged as scanned, however.

But keep talking it up, guys. We need FD to spot there is an issue, and get going on it. My ticket is still not even looked at, and I suspect that will be the same for most if not all of us.

https://support.elitedangerous.com/tickets.php?id=39527

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remosito said:
no worries :)

and yes, both threads keep growing :)
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Mine has not grown at all, really. I must not post important threads when the Brits are on their way to bed, since they are buried by the time they wake up.
 
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catanonia

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As I have said in the other thread.


Is the problem at the point of scan in the system or is it in the selling.

If it is in the point of scan, then it is not logged on the servers and FD would have no way of telling if you did or did not scan the system and so cannot retro credit you.
If this is the case, then a lot of your scans could be pointless

A big question as to whether it is worth continuing exploring whilst this bug is around ?
 
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