Extinct Animals (Easter Eggs in game)

[MrHappy]

Is it odd that Dodo statues are in the game but Dodo's are extinct and of course not currently in the game as available animals? Is this an Easter Egg?

Extinct Animals DLC..... I completely love the idea of it!!

Without going into Dinosaurs what would you want???

Dodo?
Sabre Tooth Tiger?
Golden Bamboo Lemur?
Northern White Rhino?

 

[crg_41]

Personally, maybe not going so far to Pleitocene and all of that, but some kind recently extinted dlc could be interesting.
Idk, something with thylacine, auroch, dodo, quagga and animals like that, animals that driven to extintion by humans.
I've always been fascinated by the thylacine and,the Javan tiger, and to be honest, I still hope for them to be rediscovered, so it will be awesome to have them in game.

Maybe a pack with:
Thylacine
Quagga
Dodo
Javan tiger
Caribbean monk seal

Don't really think frontier will go in that direction sadly, but it will a really cool pack

 

[markun]

Is it odd that Dodo statues are in the game but Dodo's are extinct and of course not currently in the game as available animals? Is this an Easter Egg?

Jersey Zoo has a dodo statue. I'm sure others do too. It's an emblem for conservation and a reminder of how humans can be responsible for the extinction of an entire species. I really don't think it is any more significant than that - I hope not anyway.

Maybe I'd be happy with extinct animals once we have every species in the world's zoos. But until then it would be a waste of a valuable slot in the game.

 

[ElectricMonk]

I’d prefer they avoid extinct species altogether - extinct in the wild (ie only found in zoos) would be ok though.

 

[Loganispokey]

I’d prefer they avoid extinct species altogether - extinct in the wild (ie only found in zoos) would be ok though.

Hurr duR Hurr ExTincT AnIMAl Bad

 

[LN]

No thanks.

 

[eviltiger13]

I want to see more extinct animal statues NOT animals. I like making shrines beside my info shops dedicated to animals we have lost due to our ignorance.

Very similar to Jersey zoo. I remember seeing that skeleton of the dodo when I was kid and asking where the dodo was.

 

[Thylaco]

I do find it sort of funny that the community of a game about near limitless creativity, heavily dislikes even the mildly fantastical side of things. (though realistically, it is what mods are for)

In a realist sense, the best that could effectively be done with modern tech/knowledge is maybe extinct subspecies, but even then it's been an unsuccessful struggle with the Pyrenean ibex (granted they're using domestic goat as a host instead of an Ibex, but that sort of hints at the fact that using endangered species to bring back dead relatives is detrimental to breeding efforts, especially if it fails).

Grabbing some genes from the past is sort of an inevitability for some species in real life, like with modern cheetahs being basically genetically identical. For the purposes of the game though, it would be sort of pointless, now that there's multiple skin variants, and as far as I'm aware limited gene pools aren't a thing.

 

[NL_Mutso]

I do find it sort of funny that the community of a game about near limitless creativity, heavily dislikes even the mildly fantastical side of things

This has something to do with the absence of certain real animals in PZ. People don't like the idea of Frontier focusing on fantasy while you got countless options for RL animals.
And you got Prehistoric Kingdom to fill in that extinct animals need.
I know that a lot of people never used the dinos in ZT2, even though they were included in the final product.

I think every game struggles a bit with this one.
With Ark you had something similar when they shifted their focus from dinos to other (fantasy) animals. People wanted to ride/tame known dinos and not an entirely made-up animal. And that's a fantasy game.

In a realist sense, the best that could effectively be done with modern tech/knowledge is maybe extinct subspecies

A while ago, I read something like: They can't bring back extinct species but only create a hybrid species from an existing one. So basically a goat with certain physical traits of the Ibex. It's that companies' version of that species.

 

[FoxyDee]

I do find it sort of funny that the community of a game about near limitless creativity, heavily dislikes even the mildly fantastical side of things. (though realistically, it is what mods are for)

In a realist sense, the best that could effectively be done with modern tech/knowledge is maybe extinct subspecies, but even then it's been an unsuccessful struggle with the Pyrenean ibex (granted they're using domestic goat as a host instead of an Ibex, but that sort of hints at the fact that using endangered species to bring back dead relatives is detrimental to breeding efforts, especially if it fails).

Grabbing some genes from the past is sort of an inevitability for some species in real life, like with modern cheetahs being basically genetically identical. For the purposes of the game though, it would be sort of pointless, now that there's multiple skin variants, and as far as I'm aware limited gene pools aren't a thing.

One can be creative and still obey the laws of realism of our world (within reason, there are some things that simply will never be realistic because of gameplay reasons).

For me, I simply do not like to mix a zoo simulation game that is foccusing on semi realistic approach with a fantasy setting of bringing back dinosaurs. Keep them separete and I will like both. But if we are having a zoo simulation game, I would rather have as much living animals as possible, than the dinos or extinc animals taking the spots of some living animals. We will have Prehistoric Kingdom for that soon enough.

 

[ElectricMonk]

Hurr duR Hurr ExTincT AnIMAl Bad

Slow clap

 

[Thylaco]

This has something to do with the absence of certain real animals in PZ. People don't like the idea of Frontier focusing on fantasy while you got countless options for RL animals.
And you got Prehistoric Kingdom to fill in that extinct animals need.
I know that a lot of people never used the dinos in ZT2, even though they were included in the final product.

I think every game struggles a bit with this one.
With Ark you had something similar when they shifted their focus from dinos to other (fantasy) animals. People wanted to ride/tame known dinos and not an entirely made-up animal. And that's a fantasy game.

One can be creative and still obey the laws of realism of our world (within reason, there are some things that simply will never be realistic because of gameplay reasons).

For me, I simply do not like to mix a zoo simulation game that is foccusing on semi realistic approach with a fantasy setting of bringing back dinosaurs. Keep them separete and I will like both. But if we are having a zoo simulation game, I would rather have as much living animals as possible, than the dinos or extinc animals taking the spots of some living animals. We will have Prehistoric Kingdom for that soon enough.

On the prehistoric animals side, it is fair enough, it's just that the attitude seems to apply to everything you don't typically see in a zoo, from having the less common gorilla subspecies to fish. It's just interesting being a bystander to all this is all.

A while ago, I read something like: They can't bring back extinct species but only create a hybrid species from an existing one. So basically a goat with certain physical traits of the Ibex. It's that companies' version of that species.

When it comes to the nucleic DNA, it is pure pyrenean ibex, but yeah they used a goat egg, so things like the mitochondria and epigenetic sequences make it a chimaera. Even if they did use another ibex subspecies it would still be a chimaera in that way (essentially it's similar to breeding a long line of males onto a female line of another subspecies/species. This has actually happened naturally with a population of Wisent breeding onto Aurochs, as any hybrid males were infertile, so now there's Wisents with cattle mitochondria).

 

[Firestar97]

A while ago, I read something like: They can't bring back extinct species but only create a hybrid species from an existing one. So basically a goat with certain physical traits of the Ibex. It's that companies' version of that species.

Sounds like nonsense to me
The Technology just needs more Time to be made better
But maybe this kind of Hybrid (if they are fertile) could be used for more successful cloning.

When it comes to the nucleic DNA, it is pure pyrenean ibex, but yeah they used a goat egg, so things like the mitochondria and epigenetic sequences make it a chimaera. Even if they did use another ibex subspecies it would still be a chimaera in that way

I'm extremely sure the Nucleus of the Egg Cell gets removed for cloning which means that those Animals (if done correctly) would indeed be Clones

 

[Thylaco]

I'm extremely sure the Nucleus of the Egg Cell gets removed for cloning which means that those Animals (if done correctly) would indeed be Clones

Indeed it does, but there is cellular machinery outside of the nucleus, of various kinds, which is part of the reason for compatibility issues and the reason it's a genetic clone and also a chimaera when it comes to epigenes and such.

 

[Firestar97]

Indeed it does, but there is cellular machinery outside of the nucleus, of various kinds, which is part of the reason for compatibility issues and the reason it's a genetic clone and also a chimaera when it comes to epigenes and such.

But wouldn't it at least almost be a pure Specimen?

 

[NL_Mutso]

Sounds like nonsense to me
The Technology just needs more Time to be made better
But maybe this kind of Hybrid (if they are fertile) could be used for more successful cloning.

The passenger pigeon, mammoth and Quagga was mentioned in those stories.
Different types of de-extinction attempts/stories.
In the case of the mammoth seen multiple articles/comments on how it's just an elephant adapted/changed to look like a mammoth.
And if 1 group of scientist edit DNA differently than another team, you'll end up with 2 different versions.
And yes, seen a lot of Jurassic Park comments as well Especially on filling the gaps.

I think it's a waste of money, I don't see any use of bringing back a mammoth.
They have been claiming for 20 years they are close to this and some scientists claim this will never happen because they don't have enough DNA material to do this.

 

[Firestar97]

In the case of the mammoth seen multiple articles/comments on how it's just an elephant adapted/changed to look like a mammoth.
And if 1 group of scientist edit DNA differently than another team, you'll end up with 2 different versions.

Ok, I think I've also read a Article about this a few Years ago but I'm sure I saw it nowhere mentioned that it is impossible to clone them.

And yes, seen a lot of Jurassic Park comments as well Especially on filling the gaps.

Filling the Gaps makes Sense. As long as they use the DNA of closely related Species. Not like other People that use Frog DNA instead of Bird DNA for Dinosaurs (still a big Jurassic Park Fan even though that Decision doesn't really make Sense)

I think it's a waste of money, I don't see any use of bringing back a mammoth.
They have been claiming for 20 years they are close to this and some scientists claim this will never happen because they don't have enough DNA material to do this.

I think I've read somewhere that it is somehow possible to fight global warming with Mammoths (don't remember how exactly) and if it should work there is even already a Place for them on Earth. For more Information search for Pleistocene Park

 

[NL_Mutso]

Filling the Gaps makes Sense. As long as they use the DNA of closely related Species. Not like other People that use Frog DNA instead of Bird DNA for Dinosaurs (still a big Jurassic Park Fan even though that Decision doesn't really make Sense)

There's a stop-motion video of Jurassic Park where the Raptors have a snake-like tongue. They quickly changed it when an expert showed up.

I think one of the JP movies actually called the dinos in JP - monsters created by Ingen. While it's fun to discuss this, someone mentioned more recent examples with dog breeding to give it more appeal to the general public. So the actual idea behind this is not that crazy. Certain breeds have significantly changed in the past 100 years.

I think I've read somewhere that it is somehow possible to fight global warming with Mammoths

Yeah seen that one too. That was a one-liner without much explanation.
I think it had to do with the biome/forestation control from those animals but also accompanied with the argument: the same could be done with living animals or different methods.
I think the most important POV was they are doing this, so they know how to preserve current almost extinct animals.

 

[Bearcat9948]

I've always wondered what would happen if the team of geneticists that previously tried to clone the Pyrenean ibex did it again with more updated technology.

 

[Firestar97]

There's a stop-motion video of Jurassic Park where the Raptors have a snake-like tongue. They quickly changed it when an expert showed up.

I know. Jack Horner, the Expert that helped with Jurassic Park also started a Experiment to make Chicken Embryos more Dinosaur like

I think one of the JP movies actually called the dinos in JP - monsters created by Ingen

Alan Grant at the Beginning of Jurassic Park 3

I think it had to do with the biome/forestation control from those animals but also accompanied with the argument: the same could be done with living animals or different methods.

I think it had something to do that needs to be done in Siberia. I think solidify the Permafrost more to prevent Methane from going into the Atmosphere (not completely sure if it was that or if I remember it wrong). Even though Asian Elephants are more cold tolerant than African Elephants but I don't think it would be a good Idea to release Herds of Asian Elephants there. But maybe they could do the Genetic Engineering if it should become clear that cloning won't work