I think most problems about FA happens when mouse users read/listen for stick users. That what people really miss. If you use stick - nothing hard there at all to figure yourself in 30 mins.Same, but I'm using a full HOTAS + rudders with toe brakes.
Took maybe a half hour to develop the correct "headspace" for FAOFF (thank you disposable Sidewinder named Pinball), but once I did, I don't even have to think about it anymore. The main thing to learn in FAOFF is that deflection input controls rate more than anything.
With FAON, moving the stick right will roll to the right for as long as you hold it, and when you release, you stop.
With FAOFF, moving the stick to the right even a tiny amount will initiate a roll (more deflection = faster), and when you release, you keep rolling. It will only stop if you move the stick left enough to null that initial roll.
Where people get into trouble is when they end up 'stacking' inputs and attempt to continue flying just as they did with FAON. If you're FAOFF and find yourself tumbling, you need to sort out one axis at a time. Center the controls, pick an axis, null that, and then pick another and repeat until you're back under control. Or just blip FAON for a moment and let the computer sort it out.
I also turn on the 'mouse dot' or whatever that center dot is in the settings, even though I never use the mouse for control. I find it's helpful to have a boresight reference in all modes of flight.
FA off is horrible
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I must be doing something wrong. you say "Anyway: small adjustments " but just trying to hold the mouse still the ship swings wildly from side to side or Up/down. Trying to correct the swing invariably over corrects. i'm moving the mouse less than 1/10 of and inch and the swing is insane. I'm set on the lowest mouse DPI and have the sensitivity set to about 1/8 full scale. I tried the lowest speed pointer move but that meant i couldn't track the interdict target and kept getting crushed.
If that were the case, then the answer to 'what am I doing wrong?' would be, "using a mouse". But that's clearly not the case as many, if not most, dedicated FAOFF (and even many FAON) players fly exclusively via mouse + KB.
Either way, the advice about what to do if you find yourself out of control holds regardless of preferred input method: Isolate and null one axis of movement at a time. Trying to correct it by just whipping the controls around any old way will only make it worse and further confuse you.
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If you're really wanting to go full FA off, or just learn a bit more about it all - you can drop in on Newton's Gambit here: https://discord.gg/mACjS8h
We're a community dedicated to FAOff.
We're a community dedicated to FAOff.
On top of what people have said there are plenty of YouTube videos about how to fly with FA off. I quite liked Vindicator Jones' videos as he explains everything extremely well and in depth. It's been a few years since I've watched them but the principles will be the same as now:
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Hi everyone, my name is Vindicator Jones, and I make tutorial videos and informational videos for Elite Dangerous and Elite Dangerous Horizons. If you would ...
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Just FYI, I've been practicing fa off for over a month already. I first thought it was hopeless too and was resigned to just fly with gimbals and fa on and I had given up. All it takes is a bit of encouragement. You can do it, just takes time. I suggest to practice the tethering exercises. Do those and make some progress there first. After a few successful tethering sessions, you'll be 'hooked', and practicing fa off all the time and increasing difficulty of practice like landing with fa off, and landing with fa off and rotation correction off. Pretty soon, you'll find that some things are even easier in fa off, like believe it or not, landing on outposts and landing like the NPCs do. Good luck cmdr and don't give up. YOU CAN DO IT
I think a shield type acronym maybe better (no pun of the 4th kind intended)We're a community dedicated to FAOff.
Flight Assist Control Exemption OFF
Face Off club sounds catchier don't u think as I am pretty sure newton didn't play dice with gravity lol (oh the irony)
anyhoo don't fly anywhere without it or with it as the case maybe and I must confess I simply use both all the time tbh as mine is used commonly like a rally car handbrake and thus is right next to my fire buttons
in saying that one should try to master pure FA off firstly for a more rewarding and far more challenging experience imo
maybe in elite 5 we'll get Alcubierre-froning(youtube) type drives and zip about in inertia less pratically indestructible ships in the exact same way that U.F.O'S don't
no wonder they glow like..... face off and you loose a couple of hours if taken
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I think a shield type acronym maybe better (no pun of the 4th kind intended)
Flight Assist Control Exemption OFF
Face Off club sounds catchier don't u think as I am pretty sure newton didn't play dice with gravity lol (oh the irony)
anyhoo don't fly anywhere without it or with it as the case maybe and I must confess I simply use both all the time tbh as mine is used commonly like a rally car handbrake and thus is right next to my fire buttons
in saying that one should try to master pure FA off firstly for a more rewarding and far more challenging experience imo
maybe in elite 5 we'll get Alcubierre-froning(youtube) type drives and zip about in inertia less pratically indestructible ships in the exact same way that U.F.O'S don't
no wonder they glow like..... face off and you loose a couple of hours if taken
Dunno on the name; was there when I joined
I just like flying with it off. FAon feels bad now - I see no use for it at all.
I agree it's all about the rewarding experience and challenge as you say!
Tying your shoes is horrible if you do not know how.
Initially frustrating? Hell yeah, and that's putting it mildly. Getting your head wrapped around it seems impossible at first. Horrible? Nope. Actually, back in the day (yes, I'm one of those old Class of '84 geezers ) it was the ONLY way of flying. Also, we had no supercruise, so timing your acceleration/deceleration with full Newtonian physics was, at times, ahem, challenging.
Back on point. You can either follow the excellent videos linked on Page 1 (I watched them all, and they truly are excellent) to get yourself up to speed fast (it'll still be frustrating at first, though, but not quite as bad if you follow them to the letter) or you can do as I'm doing, I didn't have the patience to take the whole training program, and just switch FA off at times when you're doing stuff that isn't all that demanding. Play around with it and remember that you can always turn FA back on with the press of a button in case you get yourself spinning out of control. It's not a competition, just try it out when you've got nothing better to do.
It takes a lot longer, but I'm having fun that way. And trust me, no matter how confusing it is right now, you will get your brain group housing wrapped around it at some point. It's like trig was for me way back in school. It made absolutely NO sense to me and I hated it with a purple passion and then, one day, it just "clicked" in my mind and I couldn't for the life of me understand why I used to think it was hard.
Fly interestingly, CMDR!
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) it was the ONLY way of flying. Also, we had no supercruise, so timing your acceleration/deceleration with full Newtonian physics was, at times, ahem, challenging.Back on point. You can either follow the excellent videos linked on Page 1 (I watched them all, and they truly are excellent) to get yourself up to speed fast (it'll still be frustrating at first, though, but not quite as bad if you follow them to the letter) or you can do as I'm doing, I didn't have the patience to take the whole training program, and just switch FA off at times when you're doing stuff that isn't all that demanding. Play around with it and remember that you can always turn FA back on with the press of a button in case you get yourself spinning out of control. It's not a competition, just try it out when you've got nothing better to do.
It takes a lot longer, but I'm having fun that way. And trust me, no matter how confusing it is right now, you will get your brain group housing wrapped around it at some point. It's like trig was for me way back in school. It made absolutely NO sense to me and I hated it with a purple passion and then, one day, it just "clicked" in my mind and I couldn't for the life of me understand why I used to think it was hard.
Fly interestingly, CMDR!
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