FD Road Map

[JMars]

Hello Commanders,
first of all i love ED and the new guardians update, thx FD
I have a question and want to know your opinion Commanders.

Should FD be more transparent about their future updates and for example explain their road map?

I do have the feeling that a lot of people are only waiting SC to be released and ED is only the placeholder.

The german press ddidn't even mentioned the new ED update till now, that makes me a bit worried. On the opposite, about SC they bring out every little piece of information they can.

I think that is all because of the transparency that SC has in their development.

sry for my English [noob]

 

[Panticus]

Excellent English if it is not your primary language.

FD's road map is to make stuff increasingly complicated; focus on detail and visuals, rather than gameplay, whilst maintaining a satisfactory level of boredom and unnecessary tedium.

 

[Bomba Luigi]

Transparancy has little to do about how much Gamingpress writes about you, they write about what brings clicks. SC brings lots of Clicks, ED less so.

Which is also why on some games they make every little no matter how unimportant thing about the game into an News. If there is nothing, they find something, as long as it brings clicks. If there is a lot about a game but it doesn't brings much clicks then they don't care much.

 

[Panticus]

Transparancy has little to do about how much Gamingpress writes about you, they write about what brings clicks. SC brings lots of Clicks, ED less so.

Which is also why on some games they make every little no matter how unimportant thing about the game into an News. If there is nothing, they find something, as long as it brings clicks. If there is a lot about a game but it doesn't brings much clicks then they don't care much.

So, in short, you are suggesting that because FD only makes incremental and non-exciting changes, there is no online press interest?

You are claiming that nothing interesting happening leads to zero press interest. I would regard that as obvious.

What ED really needs is increasingly accurate volcanism (NOT)

 

[Bomba Luigi]

So, in short, you are suggesting that because FD only makes incremental and non-exciting changes, there is no online press interest?

You are claiming that nothing interesting happening leads to zero press interest. I would regard that as obvious.

What ED really needs is increasingly accurate volcanism (NOT)

Thats the opposite of what I said, it doesn't matter how many stuff FD creates that sounds newsworthy, Elite is a niche game and will never get as much attention from the Mainstream as other games like Star Citizen. And without the attention of the mainstream the Newssites won't give it much attention either.

Nichegames will only very rarley get big in the News. And FD has done quite man changes in 2.2, thats not why there aren't that many news about ED. And of course, there aren't really any scandals and dirty laundry which doesn't help either with newssites...

 

[Alien]

The roadmap has been a subject of conversation since the first day of the kickstarter. Would I/we like to know what Frontier have planned? Of course. But if I/we did know what Frontier have planned, all that would happen would be us players constantly harrassing Frontier to either make something more of a priority, less of a priority, or make something not on the roadmap be on the roadmap.

And don't say "but that won't happen". Yes it would. We're bad enough now without knowing what is planned. And not knowing the roadmap means Frontier are not setting themselves up for failed expectations, ala No Man's Sky / Star Citizen.

They're doing this the right way, just have faith in Frontier. They do know what they are doing (despite what idiots and trolls on this forum may say).

 

[Panticus]

The roadmap has been a subject of conversation since the first day of the kickstarter. Would I/we like to know what Frontier have planned? Of course. But if I/we did know what Frontier have planned, all that would happen would be us players constantly harrassing Frontier to either make something more of a priority, less of a priority, or make something not on the roadmap be on the roadmap.

And don't say "but that won't happen". Yes it would. We're bad enough now without knowing what is planned. And not knowing the roadmap means Frontier are not setting themselves up for failed expectations, ala No Man's Sky / Star Citizen.

They're doing this the right way, just have faith in Frontier. They do know what they are doing (despite what idiots and trolls on this forum may say).

0m 0s

A coding error that could have been fixed in minutes. If T < 1, T = 2.

Therein lies my faith in FD. That bug was there for months. They don't care.

And BTW, I was a kickstarter.

 

[Cosmo]

@JMars There is a roadmap for Horizons. We don't know anything about update 2.4 (I think Thargoids) or season 3 though.

http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Features_in_the_expansions

Thats the opposite of what I said, it doesn't matter how many stuff FD creates that sounds newsworthy, Elite is a niche game and will never get as much attention from the Mainstream as other games like Star Citizen. And without the attention of the mainstream the Newssites won't give it much attention either.

False, both are space-sims. The only major features that SC has that ED doesn't is spacelegs and first person gameplay/combat. When ED gets those it will draw a lot more attention because First-person-shooters and survival games are very popular game genres.

CIG hypes up SC to get millions of dollars from backers which the press likes to write about. Fdev doesn't do as well at hyping up and showing jaw-dropping tech-demos

 

[Bomba Luigi]

False, both are space-sims the only major features that SC has that ED doesn't is spacelegs and first person gameplay/combat. When ED gets those it will draw a lot more attention because First-person-shooters and survival games are very popular game genres.

Just because they are both spacegames doesn't mean they are the same and appeal to mainstream the same, they are very diffrent games but SC is its own beast anyway, you can't really compare easly compare it to anything else as it is a game that somwhere, somewhen has hit a certain button that started a giant hypetrain.
Most importantly now tough for sites is that there are lot of people that love praising it and and a lot of people who love bashing it, that combo creates great traffic.


What we always have to keep in mind tough is that ED is doing fine, its not like not being as much in the news other games is hurting it.

 

[Cosmo]

Just because they are both spacegames doesn't mean they are the same and appeal to mainstream the same, they are very diffrent games but SC is its own beast anyway, you can't really compare easly compare it to anything else as it is a game that somwhere, somewhen has hit a certain button that started a giant hypetrain.

SC has relied on hype since the beginning to get millions of dollars/pounds from people. ED hasn't so much. They're very comparable imo and different enough to stand on their own.

 

[zarking]

I think, we spend a lot of time moaning about tiny details that we don't like/are bugs/need fixed. Overall we have a pretty amazing game, like any game (or anything, cars, computers, phones, football teams, cakes) there will be things that need improving or fixed, but I feel we get a bit carried away with the moaning at times, I'm guilty, lots of us are guilty.
To think 3 or 4 years ago I'd have bitten most people's arms off to have a game like we have now, i had been searching for a "new elite" for years, and here we have it, sometimes it's good just to sit back and enjoy rather than moan constantly about what amounts to miniscule parts of what is a massive game engine.

Peace y'all.

 

[JMars]

@JMars There is a roadmap for Horizons. We don't know anything about update 2.4 (I think Thargoids) or season 3 though.

http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Features_in_the_expansions

I know the plan for Horizon but you said it yourself we don't even know what comes in 2.4.

Im not saying they should give all their plans to us but I think a bit of more information what comes next would increase the interesst for example of the press and so more players.

 

[Barking_Mad]

0m 0s

A coding error that could have been fixed in minutes. If T < 1, T = 2.

Therein lies my faith in FD. That bug was there for months. They don't care.

And BTW, I was a kickstarter.

You're judging the entire games progress on a bug that annoyed you because it wasnt fixed quickly.

Right.

lol

 

[burzum]

FDEV has an awesome marketing department that produces a constant stream of hot air and meaningless "newsletters" and they're well capable of cheering and praising any minor iteration any indi dev would label a "minor patch" or "addition". I can just repeat myself. The so called "release" almost two years ago was a bad joke. I wouldn't complain if they would have gone for an official early access model and called it like that. But not, big release party, a lot hot air. And what did we get? A playable prototype with a huge amount of not even half done game mechanics. FDEV meanwhile lost all my respect, I simply consider them being more like EA than a community friendly developer.

I'm also pretty sure they'll find a very creative reason why a season is now going to last longer than one year and why we probably get 2.4 summer or autumn 2017 instead just telling us "Sorry guys, we screwed the timeline up because...".

Check Subnautica, check Space Engineers, check Star Citizen. They all do a really good job on giving you weekly updates, videos, real news and content to their followers and bakers. FDEV fails miserably in this point - IMHO.

 

[Panticus]

You're judging the entire games progress on a bug that annoyed you because it wasnt fixed quickly.

Right.

lol

Fair enough.

But if you consider the millions of times that annoyed and frustrated players, and that it could be fixed with a single line of code, I would still argue that this is strong evidence that FD don't give a F. Or if they do give a F, do give a very good impression of not giving a F.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Fair enough.

But if you consider the millions of times that annoyed and frustrated players, and that it could be fixed with a single line of code, I would still argue that this is strong evidence that FD don't give a F. Or if they do give a F, do give a very good impression of not giving a F.

Sure, it's really unfortunate certain bugs don't get fixed when they *appear* to be quite simple. But without knowing the code base and any C++ it's hard for me to say But it's a complex game and maybe that bug was dependent on lots of other bugs being fixed, or maybe fixing it created more bugs that were far more serious. Or maybe they just didnt fix it because *insert reason here*. Im pretty sure not fixing it in order to look like they didnt care about it was probably not on their list though?

 

[c00ky1970]

This game breaking bug is fixed in 2.2

 

[philmo]

Excellent English if it is not your primary language.

FD's road map is to make stuff increasingly complicated; focus on detail and visuals, rather than gameplay, whilst maintaining a satisfactory level of boredom and unnecessary tedium.

Seems very accurate to me, do you work for FD ? I love the game - and moan like many others do but keep coming back. This time after a years break. I think the frustrating thing is some of the headline gaffs that sneak into the final release. Some of which were not either not present in the beta version or not there to test.

I guess more the point some suggested bugs are supposedly game-play features, but surely if so many people are getting upset about such features they should of
been tested and then changed prior to final release.

 

[Tataboj]

Well, not yet released anticipated games tend to get more attention.

 

[philmo]

0m 0s

A coding error that could have been fixed in minutes. If T < 1, T = 2.

Therein lies my faith in FD. That bug was there for months. They don't care.

And BTW, I was a kickstarter.

And the ship landing bug (where you can't land !) - how long has that been around for.

Not to mention the latest cracker where you cannot hand in passenger missions that offer cargo as part of the reward if you have no cargo hold, why offer the mission in the first place ! simple testing surely.