FD, the situation in Gilya is your problem to fix, not the PF you put there

Ben Ryder

Ben Ryder
Limoncello Lizard said:
From what I have heard, the Fireflies selected Gilya without knowing that it was a rare good system. I think they picked it because it was a high-tech system in a relatively out of the way part of the bubble. I'm not blaming them for not knowing the damage this would cause. I do blame FD, since it's not the first time they have done this.

I'm not making a fuss over Wolf 1301 any more, as I tried that before and mostly failed. Though I did manage to get FD to use the loss of the Wolf Fesh as an excuse to create the rare good Crom Silver Fesh. A similar solution to this would be acceptable. A CG to move the rare good, or create a variant in another system, is a fun way that adds a small piece of lore to the game.
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Fair enough. Doesnt sound like Fdev made a mistake if they did what was requested by the PMF and the outcome is working as it is technically meant too. It's a shame the players didnt know their gov types etc. but that is really down to them and not Fdev to change a mechanic that isn't a bug just human oversight. But hey hoo

A CG for a new rare good would be nice and like the chap above says, they can expand and re-base whichc I think would be a pretty cool project in istelf.

Nice job on the Crom Silver Flesh!
 

Ian Doncaster

Ian Doncaster
Another possible option: they could ask for their government type to be changed from Democracy to Cooperative. Like Democracy it's a Social-ethos government type, so very similar missions, same election/war tendencies ... unlike Democracy it makes Personal Weapons legal to trade, so should allow a rare of the same class.

(Of course, they might not want to be a Cooperative, which is fair enough)
 

Mrjupp

Mrjupp
Ian Doncaster said:
Another possible option: they could ask for their government type to be changed from Democracy to Cooperative. Like Democracy it's a Social-ethos government type, so very similar missions, same election/war tendencies ... unlike Democracy it makes Personal Weapons legal to trade, so should allow a rare of the same class.

(Of course, they might not want to be a Cooperative, which is fair enough)
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Frontier have already gone on public record saying a PMF may not amend their Government type once inserted.
 

Roybe

Roybe
Limoncello Lizard said:
You are missing the point. The player faction involved, the Fireflies, did not know about the rare good. But now they have learned about it, they don't want to remove it.

The CG idea was theirs.



This is normal BGS gameplay. I don't have an issue with this. Player factions that expand into a system can be retreated as well. This is impossible with injected systems, so the problem cannot be solved in the game by other players.


This is exactly the same as the other PF being injected into Lugh. So you appear to be hypocritical.
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I'm not trying tp be hypocritical...but I do understand that errors by FDev can be made...just as the groups can make errors...all I am saying is an error on Fdev's part should be repaired (adding a second player group is not 'the same thing'...unless there is a hard rule that groups cannot be added to a rare producing system, which means the argument put forth to FDev is you placed us in a rare system and you shouldn't have)...player errors, although justifiably can be just as problematic...but, lack of understanding and not knowing a system at the level of not knowing what is produced in the system is not FDev's fault...and does not necessarily warrant a change.

As far as my example goes...you missed my point...I wasn't talking about expansion. Any player group can support an in game faction...and cut off an illegal rare. But since it is part of the BGS play...there is no issue...
 

Limoncello Lizard

Limoncello Lizard
I haven't argued against groups expanding into rare goods systems, whether PF or not. That's the BGS working correctly, and there are in-game ways of dealing with it. So I think we agree that there is indeed no issue with this.

FD have now made rules that they won't inject PFs into rare goods systems, permit systems, or systems occupied by another PF. This rule solves many future issues, but still leaves the mess they have created as this should never have been the case from the start.

The situation in Gilya can't be fixed by players, as the Fireflies will always exist in the system no matter what they or the rest of the community do. They will always be in control of the Gilya system, as they are a sizeable and active group who certainly act like they know how to use the BGS. So either FD fix the problem, or the rare good Gilya Signature Weapons is effectively deleted from the game, the same as Wolf Fesh.
 

Roybe

Roybe
Limoncello Lizard said:
I haven't argued against groups expanding into rare goods systems, whether PF or not. That's the BGS working correctly, and there are in-game ways of dealing with it. So I think we agree that there is indeed no issue with this.

FD have now made rules that they won't inject PFs into rare goods systems, permit systems, or systems occupied by another PF. This rule solves many future issues, but still leaves the mess they have created as this should never have been the case from the start.

The situation in Gilya can't be fixed by players, as the Fireflies will always exist in the system no matter what they or the rest of the community do. They will always be in control of the Gilya system, as they are a sizeable and active group who certainly act like they know how to use the BGS. So either FD fix the problem, or the rare good Gilya Signature Weapons is effectively deleted from the game, the same as Wolf Fesh.
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So the OP argument really is that FDev placed the group in a rare system, BUT, it was allowable at the time for groups to request such placement. Your contention that this 'should never have happened' is an opinion (one I can agree with)...but the rule was, it was possible for groups to request and be placed. The only choices I see are to play the hand the group was dealt...or just rename the group and work with FDev to find a new system to play in.
 

Limoncello Lizard

Limoncello Lizard
The OP argument is that FD made a mistake that they had previously said they wouldn't do again - after Wolf Fesh was deleted by inserting EXO. But they didn't actually do anything, proved when the Fireflies were put into Gilya.
The group tried to find a way to fix the problem they have been landed in, but as mentioned in the OP, FD said no.

No. I can't agree with you on this. It's not OK for FD to assist player groups to wreck things out of the game.
 
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