Fer de lance and expected python nerf

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Lyker

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Hey. Im currantly trading in my type7.
I will soon be able to upgrade and I was thinking about going for Python. Ok trader and beast combat what i heard.

My concers are however:
1. Do we expect python to be hevily nerfed?
2. What if fer the lance comes out and is favorible vs the python.

What do you think?
 

Altissimus

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I don't get this "nerf" mentality. The Python is a 57Mcr ship, WITHOUT upgrades, and topping 130MCr when A-modded.

For 130MCr, I'd expect my ship to be pretty darn good.

There is no need to "balance" everything "in relation to the sidewinder", because the sidewinder (or any other ship for that matter) doesn't cost 130MCr when A-modded. Some cost more, some cost less, and therefore do not need to be balanced to the Python.

So I for one will be very surprised and disappointed if the Python is nerfed.

Who knows on the Fer de lance? Until it comes out, no one.
 

CmdrZaratan

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I believe Sandro mentioned something about toning down the Python's speed or maneuverability, but that was the only area they were concerned.

They don't really want one ship to rule them all, so I'd expect a bit of tweaking for all the high end ships, but no big wind ups with the nerf bat.
 

Poseidal

Poseidal
Altissimus said:
I don't get this "nerf" mentality. The Python is a 57Mcr ship, WITHOUT upgrades, and topping 130MCr when A-modded.

For 130MCr, I'd expect my ship to be pretty darn good.

There is no need to "balance" everything "in relation to the sidewinder", because the sidewinder (or any other ship for that matter) doesn't cost 130MCr when A-modded. Some cost more, some cost less, and therefore do not need to be balanced to the Python.

So I for one will be very surprised and disappointed if the Python is nerfed.
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Python is way too good compared to the Anaconda, which is even more expensive. It's shields are as strong (or stronger) but it has all the advantages of being a smaller ship too. The 'heavy' firepower is the same, with the class 1s and class 4 (slow projectile weapons only) being the only thing the 'conda has over it.

Ships shouldn't be balanced based on price, but their size category and capability. Heavier ships should be tougher and have heavier weapons, trading off movement, for example. Currently, the Python is as tough as an Anaconda, can turn like a Cobra and is as fast as an Eagle, with firepower unmatched by anything else apart from the Anaconda, which has problems getting it's extra weapons to bear to take advantage of it over the Python. The ship currently doesn't make *sense*, regardless of 'balance'.
 

Lanatir

Lanatir
Altissimus said:
I don't get this "nerf" mentality. The Python is a 57Mcr ship, WITHOUT upgrades, and topping 130MCr when A-modded.

For 130MCr, I'd expect my ship to be pretty darn good.

There is no need to "balance" everything "in relation to the sidewinder", because the sidewinder (or any other ship for that matter) doesn't cost 130MCr when A-modded. Some cost more, some cost less, and therefore do not need to be balanced to the Python.

So I for one will be very surprised and disappointed if the Python is nerfed.

Who knows on the Fer de lance? Until it comes out, no one.
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Sadly, the pvp crowd has already whined enough about it, so the devs already stated here on the forums that it will be nerfed. mobility will be greatly reduced, making it a sitting duck waiting to be shot.
 

Kyokushin

Kyokushin
Stop talking for nerfing python for a god sake!
Leave this ship alone. He is OK. Go and play more, then you buy one.

You pay 130mln, getting cash for a month so you expecting a good ship, not nerfed crap.

In PVP python is almost useless because it is too slow, everyone can flee. Go and learn how to fly people.

Experienced player in Cobra or VIper can take down Player in Pyton. If you cant - go and learn how.

Poseidal said:
Python is way too good compared to the Anaconda, which is even more expensive.
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Totally disagreee. Anaconda is other kind of vessel and it will have possibility to have small craft aboard.
Every ship has his purpose.
 
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BigBadB

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Lyker said:
1. Do we expect python to be hevily nerfed?
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No, I expect a minor reduction in Manoeuvrability from 6 to 4. So it'll still be the most agile of the 'big' ships.

(To be honest I've been expecting this ever since I saw the ship stats - the Clipper and Anaconda have Manoeuvrability 2 and the Dropship has 0, so the Python's 6 always looked strange to me, especially when combined with the Python's awesome shields and impressive hardpoints.)

2. What if fer the lance comes out and is favorible vs the python.
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I don't expect the 'Lance to be in the Python price range. I'd expect it to be somewhere above the Viper and Cobra - probably closer to the Asp than the Python.

Essentially I expect it to be a combat ship that's an upgrade from the Viper, rather than a multi-role like the Cobra or Python.

Whether it compares favourably to the Python is hard to say. As a pure combat ship it might be impressive, but it won't have anywhere near the cargo capacity of the Python (it may not even match the Cobra in that regard).
 
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cherny_prapor

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Altissimus said:
I don't get this "nerf" mentality. The Python is a 57Mcr ship, WITHOUT upgrades, and topping 130MCr when A-modded.
For 130MCr, I'd expect my ship to be pretty darn good.
There is no need to "balance" everything "in relation to the sidewinder", because the sidewinder (or any other ship for that matter) doesn't cost 130MCr when A-modded. Some cost more, some cost less, and therefore do not need to be balanced to the Python.
So I for one will be very surprised and disappointed if the Python is nerfed.
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The Python is several times bigger than the Sidewinder/Cobra/Viper/etc, it has thicker hull and shields, as well as superior weapons. These are the Python's strengths compared to the smaller ships, and this is why it costs a lot more. However, currently the Python is also VERY maneuverable, on par with these smaller ships, and this is wrong - Python is massive, so while it SHOULD be fat and have sharp teeth, it SHOULD NOT be able to spin around like a whirligig. And another thing - in this game (and in many other games with spaceships), a bigger more expensive ship does not mean that it's invulnerable to the smaller cheaper stuff. It's not a damn "Legendary Indestructible Power Armor of Doom +100 to defense" from a Korean MMORPG. When you buy a big-ass ship like the Python or the Anaconda, you should expect more cargo space, huge guns, thicker hull and stronger shields, but at the cost of maneuverability and pricey maintenance.
 
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Kyokushin

Kyokushin
Python like an asp is MEDIUM vessel. So thats why python is maneuverable. Unfortunately it is slow.

So your argument is invalid.

@cherny_prapor, you have python? invulnerable? are you joking right?
 
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Llyander

Llyander
Hooplah said:
> Ugh, can we please back away from the nerf/buff/OP/imba... <

OK, but I'll have to lookup imba first... :)
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You can thank WoW for popularizing the term "imba". It basically means "imbalanced" and is almost interchangeable with "OP" or "overpowered" and is almost always followed by a call to nerf something.
 

Derath

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The conda has 200 cargo over the python, better jump, I wouldn't disregard the other weapon mounts you will rarely get a shot with a C4 but thats because it would be monstrous if it was normal use, its got a bigger power distributor so can fire for considerably longer (think it charges 15% faster off the top of my head) and 2x as many utility mounts.

Really don't think thats nothing, it might even warrant the drop in manoeuvrability.. I don't always believe the stat the clipper is supposed to handle like a pig but really doesn't.
 

Kyokushin

Kyokushin
Python is NOT big ship. It is MEDIUM ship like an ASP. He has only 350 hull mass.

Big ships - Conda, Clipper, L9, L7, Dropship.

I think this ship is good balanced. Even he could be a little bit faster.
 
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Skunkmiester

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If they start nerfing ships then I doubt I would want to play this game for long. There is a reason why the Python costs so much, that is because it is a beast of a ship. This game had better not go down the rock, paper, scissors route.

If you want to take on a Python in a Sidewinder then you should have your ass handed to you every time. However if you do it with 20 friends who are also in Sidewinders then you may well stand a chance.

Pythons & Anacondas should be nails and really hard to kill. It is pretty poor that I can take them out so easily at Nav beacons in my Cobra. The only time that a Conda scares me is on assassination missions that's when I struggle and run.
 

Mike Evans

Designer- Elite: Dangerous
Frontier
Kyokushin said:
Python is NOT big ship. It is MEDIUM ship like an ASP. He has only 350 hull mass.

Big ships - Conda, Clipper, L9, L7.

I think this ship is good balanced.
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Hull mass only roughly relates to size. The total mass after it has an appropriate loadout is better for comparison purposes. The python is like a slim Type 9, definitely a large ship.
 
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