PvP Fighting against the cancer of hull tanks - packhounds

The new max for Heavy Duty Shield Boosters is a monstrous 73.88%. This brings my FdL shield tank to over 3.000 Mj, without counting SCBs. Meanwhile, Plasma are still the same because nobody in his right mind is going to run Overcharged.

I've had people, and have myself, run out of ammo during duels. PERHAPS they should start nerfing defenses, or duels are going be as GRINDY as the rest of the game.
 
Cancer of hull tanks?

I can honestly tell you this upfront. Dont care, its allowed by the game mechanics and I have a suspicion that FDEV likes the hull tanks.
 

The Replicated Man

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looks like the ramming saved us all from an hour long duel lol. I watched it all tho, entertaining enough.

In a genuine 1v1 vs your or Punished Mobius builds with no reverb or feedback I can see the fight going for a hour
 
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Thanks for your input on PVP again, your exploration based knowledge as always.. invaluable
Awww. Like having a puppie on the forum that rides your leg every time you enter the room. Cute and annoying at the same time.

On topic, its not the players that decided that hull tanking is unconstrained, FDEV made this game this way for a reason. Players just playing the game within the allowed framework.
 
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ALGOMATIC

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The new max for Heavy Duty Shield Boosters is a monstrous 73.88%. This brings my FdL shield tank to over 3.000 Mj, without counting SCBs. Meanwhile, Plasma are still the same because nobody in his right mind is going to run Overcharged.

I've had people, and have myself, run out of ammo during duels. PERHAPS they should start nerfing defenses, or duels are going be as GRINDY as the rest of the game.

Yeah I agree, fighting against a FAS ussually ends below 10min, but against an FDL can easily last 20min which is way too long IMO for a 1 v 1. Not even mentioning the big 3.
 
Cancer of hull tanks?

I can honestly tell you this upfront. Dont care, its allowed by the game mechanics and I have a suspicion that FDEV likes the hull tanks.

I think Alg worded his video title a little awkwardly. I'm pretty sure he's saying that the cancer in question are Packhounds, in which case I completely agree. Hull tank ships are usually considered high skill (if poorly considered) builds. Nothing particularly skillful about hiding in an FdL behind 3000+ mj's of shielding, just boredom for all involved. Unless your the 13th Legion, then it's bueno.
 

ALGOMATIC

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I think Alg worded his video title a little awkwardly. I'm pretty sure he's saying that the cancer in question are Packhounds, in which case I completely agree. Hull tank ships are usually considered high skill (if poorly considered) builds. Nothing particularly skillful about hiding in an FdL behind 3000+ mj's of shielding, just boredom for all involved. Unless your the 13th Legion, then it's bueno.

Are you referring to someone particular from the 13th who likes spamming premium packhounds with massive pipe management of 4 0 2? Wouldn't know who it is.
 

The Replicated Man

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Are you referring to someone particular from the 13th who likes spamming premium packhounds with massive pipe management of 4 0 2? Wouldn't know who it is.

Hmm. I hear he is "Unreal" at pvp
 
I think Alg worded his video title a little awkwardly. I'm pretty sure he's saying that the cancer in question are Packhounds, in which case I completely agree. Hull tank ships are usually considered high skill (if poorly considered) builds. Nothing particularly skillful about hiding in an FdL behind 3000+ mj's of shielding, just boredom for all involved. Unless your the 13th Legion, then it's bueno.
I've run a prismatic FDL for a long while now and I keep hearing about the "hiding behind... less skills... etc..." but there's trade offs from running a heavy ship. To me, there's just as 'little' skill in running a light weight, high speed, high resistant bi-weave build that just disengages to re-charge shields (repeatedly, repeatedly, repeatedly, etc). I've fought cmdrs that have done this over 10 times during a single engagement.
Who ultimately has the most effective MJ?
It's just a different style of flying that requires different pip management not less skills.
No offence like.
 
You can sit in a prismatic HD stacked FDL at 4-0-2 and eat damage from your opponent for 30 minutes without losing your shields, and that is exactly how a large number of people play. I DARE you to tell me how that requires skill.
 

ryan_m

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I've run a prismatic FDL for a long while now and I keep hearing about the "hiding behind... less skills... etc..." but there's trade offs from running a heavy ship. To me, there's just as 'little' skill in running a light weight, high speed, high resistant bi-weave build that just disengages to re-charge shields (repeatedly, repeatedly, repeatedly, etc). I've fought cmdrs that have done this over 10 times during a single engagement.
Who ultimately has the most effective MJ?
It's just a different style of flying that requires different pip management not less skills.
No offence like.

If a build enables sitting still with perma-pips while face-tanking your opponent, that is a low skill build, full stop. I've fought you before and it shows.
 
I've run a prismatic FDL for a long while now and I keep hearing about the "hiding behind... less skills... etc..." but there's trade offs from running a heavy ship. To me, there's just as 'little' skill in running a light weight, high speed, high resistant bi-weave build that just disengages to re-charge shields (repeatedly, repeatedly, repeatedly, etc). I've fought cmdrs that have done this over 10 times during a single engagement.
Who ultimately has the most effective MJ?
It's just a different style of flying that requires different pip management not less skills.
No offence like.

You, sir, owe me a new computer monitor! Because reading this post made me spray a mouthful of coffee all over it from laughing so hard.
 
I'm pretty sure he's saying that the cancer in question are Packhounds, in which case I completely agree.

I agree too, but I'd also add seekers.

You can sit in a prismatic HD stacked FDL at 4-0-2 and eat damage from your opponent for 30 minutes without losing your shields, and that is exactly how a large number of people play.

Yep I see this all the time from 'Elite' ranked pilots at the CGs. Along with reverski and gimbals. But why do anything else? Skill-less play is heavily rewarded ATM.
 
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