Astronomy / Space Finding REAL existing stars in E:D galaxy map

59thLefty

59thLefty
Greetings!

I also manage a forum so I kinda hate opening new threads but I found it incredible that there isn't one already for this. I was curious about dozens of stars now in our galaxy, how does it look like, how far is it in ED from me, or can it even be approached? I seriously hope that I'm not the one interested in this, and sincerely hoping that there are a lot more educated poeple around here who can show me a method. The problem is that even if I found the star of my interest, I can't find it in the galaxy map, simply because entering its name, or the twelve (!!) other designations of that star does not return a match. E.G. I am searching for any binary system with a fast orbital period, and made a list with the help of the link below (can't link the exact result), but no matter how I search for those stars, the galaxy map can't find a single match.

http://vizier.u-strasbg.fr/viz-bin/VizieR

Or which of those catalogs are most helpful? I have found a very few stars though, but I really have no general method, just blind luck so far.

An example, HD 45166 - 20 names, no result.

http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-id?Ident=@889460&name=HD 45166&-c=06 26 19.1521 +07 58 28.052

Please, Anyone can help with this case?
 
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adoredtv

adoredtv
There is no obvious way to link actual galactic coordinates to the galaxy map that I can tell. Nobody has found UY Scuti yet (again none of the designations work), which was my plan. I think I've narrowed down the general region but you're still talking a huge swathe of stellar real-estate to find it.

If Michael Brookes could confirm the star is actually in the game I might get re-motivated :p This is the problem, we dunno if they are in the game or not and are just being deliberately made hard to find by normal methods.
 
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Surfinjo

Surfinjo
adoredtv said:
There is no obvious way to link actual galactic coordinates to the galaxy map that I can tell. .
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Think about it, the galaxy if centred on a SMBH. That is one point of reference.

It is an essentially flat disk, generally the same top and bottom. If it is imaged as a series of disks, one of top of the other the middle one is a second plane of reference.

The third point of reference would simply be a point in radial degrees, on the galactic disc.

I have to be honest, I am somewhat surprised that the makers of Elite didn't figure that at the very start. Without co-ordinates, we are essentially travelling largely by chance, possibly using a distant object, nebulae for example, as a rough point. Not really good though.
 

adoredtv

adoredtv
Surfinjo said:
Think about it, the galaxy if centred on a SMBH. That is one point of reference.

It is an essentially flat disk, generally the same top and bottom. If it is imaged as a series of disks, one of top of the other the middle one is a second plane of reference.

The third point of reference would simply be a point in radial degrees, on the galactic disc.

I have to be honest, I am somewhat surprised that the makers of Elite didn't figure that at the very start. Without co-ordinates, we are essentially travelling largely by chance, possibly using a distant object, nebulae for example, as a rough point. Not really good though.
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That basically already exists - it's called the "galactic coordinate system". What I meant was there is no way to work those out from the data on the ED galaxy map, as far as I can tell. That might be a deliberate design choice though.
 
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Zenith

Zenith
I do the same thing. I look for particular stars and wonder where they are in the galaxy map.

I load up sky-map.org , search for the star or nebula by the most likely catalogue number and note down the Right Ascension, Declination and approximate distance (parsec = 3.26ly). I also use Simbad to get star information.

Star catalogues that I've seen used in the galaxy map are HD, HIP, 2MASS, TYC, GSC.
There have been times where the HIP number found the target, other ones it was HD.

You'll find it is only the stars above magnitude 10 or so have been dropped into the galaxy map. Faint or inconsequential stars aren't included. Most O/B/A stars in clusters are included. I've found quite a few HD numbered O/B/A star systems as they stand out at a large distance because of their intrinsic brightness.

Using your example of HD 45166, I've find out is in Monoceos, not far from Orion, the Barnard Loop and Rosette Nebula. I used 13 Mon to find a bright star in the general direction and stated looking in the area. Literature gives an approximate distance of 1.3kpc (4238ly), so I started looking for a Wolf-Rayet star in that area.
Like you I didn't find anything obvious, not with any of the alternate designations.

Only about 150,000 stars are manually entered. The rest are procedurally generated. I don't think HD 45166 was important enough to make the cut.
 

59thLefty

59thLefty
Thank you all for the quick reply! Zenith, then my main problem was that not most of the known stars are implemented. Well, I have found one that is important for me, only it is 18kly away :) but unique enough to worth the journey, ASP prepped and ready for the new patch!
 

Surfinjo

Surfinjo
adoredtv said:
That basically already exists - it's called the "galactic coordinate system". What I meant was there is no way to work those out from the data on the ED galaxy map, as far as I can tell. That might be a deliberate design choice though.
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The Galatic Co-ordinate system is based upon the Sun of course. Though a minor issue in itself

I can't see why a co-ordinate system could not be used in ED . The stars don't need to be in actual position. they can simply be placed where the program tells them to. But 3 dimensional co-ordinates can still be used quite effectively.
 

Andravez

Andravez
What...I thought every single star was mapped with correct names and numbers.. hehe, wishful thinking from an ignoramus I guess. But is it not the plan to keep the Milky way as realistic as possible in game?
 

59thLefty

59thLefty
The problem is with many stars that we dont know their exact distances or properties. Not speaking of catalogs, there is not one universal, but many large databases. It is hard to merge them. Also, the stars have to fit in the ED generated galaxy map.
 

59thLefty

59thLefty
What the Nebula?!?! A star is missing! :D Nothing serious, but really

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Spider_Nebula
"... due to the presence of a companion to the central white dwarf."

Please can we add a little white dwarf into this nebula, so we can see its beauty? It would be nice! In Elite, there is no star :(
TC5Z9io.jpg

 
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