First Discovery H4X?

[Six6VI]

Hey FDev

Just showing someone my largest first discovery system so far from the list I made when the data was handed in and for some reason my name has been replaced on the following objects...

Hand in date: 110517
System: HIP 15329
Objects: A, B, A1, A1A, A1B, A1C, A1D, A1E, A1F, A1G, A1H, A2, A2A, A2B, A2C, A2D, A2E, A3, A3A, A3B, A3C, A3CA, A4, A4A, B1, B2, B3, B4, B5, B6, B7, B8, B9, B9A, B9B, B9C, B9D, B9E, B9EA, B10, B10A, B10B, B10C, B10D, B10E, B10F, B10G, B11, B11A, B11B, B11C, B12, B12A, B12B, B13

Essentially the full system including all the belts.

Why, and can you fix it please. CMDR [SIX]Six6VI

 

[Allitnil]

That system is right by the bubble, less than 200 LY from Sol, and would have been fully tagged years ago (EDSM records 368 ships having visited it with the first one in 2015 and the true number is probably more like 1,000).

Have you got the right system?

 

[Kimosabe_X]

Well, I guess it was a first discovery for you but not in general... Only the first explorer to hand in exploration data of a formerly unscanned system get's his/hers stamp on it.

 

[varonica]

Well, I guess it was a first discovery for you but not in general... Only the first explorer to hand in exploration data of a formerly unscanned system get's his/hers stamp on it.

Yes, however there are still a few untagged systems in the bubble according to FDEV. The OP, to clarify, if you enter a system and it says undiscovered on the bodies it only means undiscovered by you, once you have scanned the bodies it should show the tag of the first discoverer.

 

[Redfox]

my name has been replaced

So on the system map you've actually seen your name next to the "First discovered by" and it has since been replaced by another? If so, that's really weird and worthy of raising a ticket.

Personally, I'd check the logs from when you sold the data. There you can see if you *actually* got that first discovery, or if a) someone beat you to selling that data or b) it wasn't your first discovery to begin with.

PS: Just checked EDSM (https://www.edsm.net/en/system/id/267675/name/HIP+15329):

That system was first discovered for EDSM by Marius Timpeu on Sep 22, 2015, 8:05:15 PM

 

[Six6VI]

...snip/ from the list I made when the data was handed in /snip...

Thanks for the feedback guys.

Had a look at the EDSM link and all the planets listed agree with what I have in the system map, except that I have details of all the landables including materials that are missing from EDSM (I have no EDSM account, or CMDR log - vanilla ED).

The list I typed directly into a text document by scrolling through the first discovery list as it was displayed in the cartographics dialogue screen after I handed that system data in.

The game told me I had the first discovery, I normally have a quick look in the gal / system map but at that stage I think was running around unlocking permit systems with the data and it had proven itself reliable so far and it lulled me into a false sense of security

It's the right system, I'd only have the data if I went there (my OCD won't let me out of an unscanned system until it's fully completed, including belts) and the game definitely told me I had first disco on all the planets previously listed, or I wouldn't have typed them up.

Plenty of other systems where I was the only idiot dumb enough to fly the 300,000LS+ out to that other star, and got FD on it, but not the primary (recorded correctly).

I might check a few more now this happened :/

Edit: The names I saw in ESDM don't match what's (now) on the system map.

 

[Starwolfe]

Its not likely EDSM will match.

That's a third-party tracker, and it lists people that use a toll that connects with EDSM as the first to discover it, not whomever was actually first to find it as its listed in the game.

 

[Six6VI]

Its not likely EDSM will match.

That's a third-party tracker, and it lists people that use a toll that connects with EDSM as the first to discover it, not whomever was actually first to find it as its listed in the game.

Yeah, I figured that, and mentioned I'm playing vanilla.

Have now found the log file from May 11th with multiple references of the search term "HIP 15329".

Looks like I scanned the full system, logged out from supercruise and went afk then logged back in about 40 mins later in normal space and jumped to the next system. I checked all the "netLog." files up to June 1st and found no further references. Is there a different syntax in the log file when handing in data?

I don't recall how soon I handed in the scans but it wouldn't be more than a couple of weeks (too paranoid / lazy to rescan). I do remember being tripped out to find a system this big totally unexplored this close to the bubble though.

Possible localised recurring glitch?

 

[Starwolfe]

I would need to look at the system to say for certain, but my gut says its an effect of updating info - wither a cross-platform kind of thing or a server update kind of issue.

Many pilots, especially closer to the bubble, that have done early exploration did so without the ADS or even the IDS and as a result only ever got partial scans of the sytem, so its its likely they scanned what they saw and moved on.

As a result, they claimed part of the system, and left the rest undiscovered - of which you found.

However the lag in updating info possibly was not present when you were first observing the system, and as a result you did not know it was partially discovered.

Then at a later time with a server patch most likely it would update the tags, and the previous finder got first dibs.


That's my initial gut thought but its without some key pieces of info to determine it. I would need to look it up and find out.

 

[Alex Brentnall]

With this being an account specific issue I would raise a support ticket as FDev can look in the back end and we players here can only speculate

As for speculating that system is so close I highly doubt it remained unexplored until 2017. The 2015 date someone quoted seems more legit. Most likely a bug where you got the first disco bonus when you should'nt have.
Still worth checking tho.

 

[iain666]

How do I make EDSM work with ED?

If you play on PC - manually upload your journals to the website or use a 3rd party application to do it for you (and keep it up to date). I recommend ED Discovery (link in my sig) but I'm one of the devs so biased, other tools are available.
If you play on a console - sorry, you don't.

 

[Cpt Shadow Wolfe]

Thanks for the feedback guys.

Had a look at the EDSM link and all the planets listed agree with what I have in the system map, except that I have details of all the landables including materials that are missing from EDSM (I have no EDSM account, or CMDR log - vanilla ED).

The list I typed directly into a text document by scrolling through the first discovery list as it was displayed in the cartographics dialogue screen after I handed that system data in.

The game told me I had the first discovery, I normally have a quick look in the gal / system map but at that stage I think was running around unlocking permit systems with the data and it had proven itself reliable so far and it lulled me into a false sense of security

It's the right system, I'd only have the data if I went there (my OCD won't let me out of an unscanned system until it's fully completed, including belts) and the game definitely told me I had first disco on all the planets previously listed, or I wouldn't have typed them up.

Plenty of other systems where I was the only idiot dumb enough to fly the 300,000LS+ out to that other star, and got FD on it, but not the primary (recorded correctly).

I might check a few more now this happened :/

Edit: The names I saw in ESDM don't match what's (now) on the system map.

I'm guessing you made the same mistake I did, if you scanned the asteroid belts like you said you did, and no one else did, which is probably the case, then you will get notified of the first discovery for those objects, but since you get '0' creds for asteroied belts, therefore you get '0' bonus for the first discoverer and you don't even get your name listed as a first discoverer of the asteroid belts, hence the reason everyone pretty much filters out the asteroid belts in their Nav Panel and don't even give them a second thought, by filtering them from the Nav Panel, it clears the clutter so you won't be tempted to go 'scan' them.

And to find out if a system is 'undiscovered', all you have to do is jump in, honk the system so you know where the planets are, and then check the Sys Map, if there is a name in Gold Lettering, or anything in Gold Lettering by the First Discovered line, below the name of the object, then that system has been tagged, you do not have to go and scan an object to find out if its been discovered. I general jump in and honk, if it has been discovered, I move on. Of course, this method is only for systems outside the bubble, or non inhabited systems. All systems over a certain population cap have already been 'discovered' by everyone, so no one gets to 'tag' those systems. But if you are truly looking for 'First Discoveries', then you need to head to a region of space that many avoid, do not go in direct lines to any Nebulas, go up or down about 1000 Lys from the Galactic Plane and you will find as many as you want.

 

[Six6VI]

I'm guessing you made the same mistake I did, if you scanned the asteroid belts like you said you did, and no one else did, which is probably the case, then you will get notified of the first discovery for those objects, but since you get '0' creds for asteroied belts, therefore you get '0' bonus for the first discoverer and you don't even get your name listed as a first discoverer of the asteroid belts, hence the reason everyone pretty much filters out the asteroid belts in their Nav Panel and don't even give them a second thought, by filtering them from the Nav Panel, it clears the clutter so you won't be tempted to go 'scan' them.

And to find out if a system is 'undiscovered', all you have to do is jump in, honk the system so you know where the planets are, and then check the Sys Map, if there is a name in Gold Lettering, or anything in Gold Lettering by the First Discovered line, below the name of the object, then that system has been tagged, you do not have to go and scan an object to find out if its been discovered. I general jump in and honk, if it has been discovered, I move on. Of course, this method is only for systems outside the bubble, or non inhabited systems. All systems over a certain population cap have already been 'discovered' by everyone, so no one gets to 'tag' those systems. But if you are truly looking for 'First Discoveries', then you need to head to a region of space that many avoid, do not go in direct lines to any Nebulas, go up or down about 1000 Lys from the Galactic Plane and you will find as many as you want.

Agreed, however...

I've scanned plenty of systems, including the belts (cos OCD as mentioned - it's brutal :S) and at hand-in the first discovery box has popped up with only one or more belts listed. I don't bother adding these to my text file, and I'm still baffled why navigation hazards pay nothing?

[FYI this CMDR is triple Elite with FD's in 60 odd systems, most are fully 'gold text' confirmed via the system map and the stats panel is claiming over 34 weeks of time invested]

My question is, why did I get the FD notice on these at all basically?

Edit: Again, if the FD box hadn't appeared, these objects would not have been recorded. Checking my list I only handed in 3 systems that day and all three text entries mention either "(full)" or "(full+belts)" which seems odd. I may check them and the hand-ins before and after next time I log in

 

[Redfox]

Interesting! I didn't know EDDB/ROSS actually tells us what data/scans it received recently. In the case of "HIP 15329": The main star was scanned 20 times within the last 30 days (https://ross.eddb.io/body/update/1634614)

Have now found the log file from May 11th with multiple references of the search term "HIP 15329".

Looks like I scanned the full system, logged out from supercruise and went afk then logged back in about 40 mins later in normal space and jumped to the next system. I checked all the "netLog." files up to June 1st and found no further references. Is there a different syntax in the log file when handing in data?

I don't recall how soon I handed in the scans but it wouldn't be more than a couple of weeks (too paranoid / lazy to rescan). I do remember being tripped out to find a system this big totally unexplored this close to the bubble though.

Just for fun: How about searching all your Journal files (not the netlog files) and posting the entries which contain "HIP 15329" here? That'd be a good way to confirm what you saw in-game and also a good prep for opening a ticket.

Just in case, here's the standard path (windows) to the Journal files: "%USERPROFILE%\Saved Games\Frontier Developments\Elite Dangerous"

 

[Six6VI]

...snip/

Just for fun: How about searching all your Journal files

...snip/

Wait, what?

You mean the bit between "Discovered" and "Bonus"?

{ "timestamp":"2017-05-10T16:22:05Z", "event":"SellExplorationData", "Systems":[ "HIP 15329", "Arietis Sector AV-Y c6", "Arietis Sector CQ-Y c12" ], "Discovered":[ "HIP 15329 B 9 a", "HIP 15329 A 1 d", "HIP 15329 B 9", "HIP 15329 B 7", "HIP 15329 A 1 e", "HIP 15329 A 4", "HIP 15329 A A Belt Cluster 6", "HIP 15329 B 2", "HIP 15329 B A Belt Cluster 1", "HIP 15329 A 2 d", "HIP 15329 B 9 b", "HIP 15329 B 11 b", "HIP 15329 B 11 c", "HIP 15329 B 9 d", "HIP 15329 B 9 e a", "HIP 15329 A 1 f", "HIP 15329 A 2", "HIP 15329 B 1", "HIP 15329 A A Belt Cluster 8", "HIP 15329 A 1 a", "HIP 15329 A 3 b", "HIP 15329 A 1 h", "HIP 15329 A 3", "HIP 15329 B 9 e", "HIP 15329 B 10 a", "HIP 15329 A 1 b", "HIP 15329 B A Belt Cluster 5", "HIP 15329 B 4", "HIP 15329 B 11 a", "HIP 15329 B A Belt Cluster 7", "HIP 15329 B 12 a", "HIP 15329 A 1", "HIP 15329 A 2 c", "HIP 15329 B 9 c", "HIP 15329 B 10 d", "HIP 15329 B 11", "HIP 15329 B A Belt Cluster 6", "HIP 15329 A A Belt Cluster 7", "HIP 15329 A A Belt Cluster 11", "HIP 15329 B 8", "HIP 15329 B 12 b", "HIP 15329 A A Belt Cluster 5", "HIP 15329 A A Belt Cluster 2", "HIP 15329 B 12", "HIP 15329 B 10 f", "HIP 15329 A 2 a", "HIP 15329 A 1 g", "HIP 15329 A A Belt Cluster 3", "HIP 15329 A 3 a", "HIP 15329 B A Belt Cluster 4", "HIP 15329 B 13", "HIP 15329 B 10 g", "HIP 15329 B 6", "HIP 15329 A", "HIP 15329 B", "HIP 15329 A A Belt Cluster 12", "HIP 15329 B 10 c", "HIP 15329 A 3 c", "HIP 15329 A 1 c", "HIP 15329 A A Belt Cluster 4", "HIP 15329 B 10 b", "HIP 15329 B 10 e", "HIP 15329 B A Belt Cluster 3", "HIP 15329 A A Belt Cluster 9", "HIP 15329 B 5", "HIP 15329 A 2 e", "HIP 15329 B 3", "HIP 15329 B 10", "HIP 15329 B A Belt Cluster 2", "HIP 15329 A 2 b", "HIP 15329 A 3 c a", "HIP 15329 A A Belt Cluster 10", "HIP 15329 A A Belt Cluster 1", "HIP 15329 A 4 a",

"Arietis Sector AV-Y c6 A Belt Cluster 3", "Arietis Sector AV-Y c6 A Belt Cluster 1", "Arietis Sector AV-Y c6 4", "Arietis Sector AV-Y c6 B Belt Cluster 1", "Arietis Sector AV-Y c6 2 a", "Arietis Sector AV-Y c6 B Belt Cluster 9", "Arietis Sector AV-Y c6 1 e", "Arietis Sector AV-Y c6 B Belt Cluster 2", "Arietis Sector AV-Y c6 A Belt Cluster 2", "Arietis Sector AV-Y c6 2 b", "Arietis Sector AV-Y c6 1 a", "Arietis Sector AV-Y c6", "Arietis Sector AV-Y c6 1 g", "Arietis Sector AV-Y c6 1 d", "Arietis Sector AV-Y c6 1", "Arietis Sector AV-Y c6 B Belt Cluster 8", "Arietis Sector AV-Y c6 B Belt Cluster 6", "Arietis Sector AV-Y c6 B Belt Cluster 4", "Arietis Sector AV-Y c6 B Belt Cluster 7", "Arietis Sector AV-Y c6 1 f", "Arietis Sector AV-Y c6 2", "Arietis Sector AV-Y c6 1 h", "Arietis Sector AV-Y c6 B Belt Cluster 3", "Arietis Sector AV-Y c6 1 c", "Arietis Sector AV-Y c6 B Belt Cluster 5", "Arietis Sector AV-Y c6 3", "Arietis Sector AV-Y c6 1 b",

"Arietis Sector CQ-Y c12 B", "Arietis Sector CQ-Y c12 CD 1", "Arietis Sector CQ-Y c12 A", "Arietis Sector CQ-Y c12 C", "Arietis Sector CQ-Y c12 D" ], "BaseValue":282572, "Bonus":141265 }

Time traveler? Yup (UTC+10/11) [Did I mention my CDO?]

*CDO = OCD in the correct alphabetical order

Edit: (CMDR) [SIX] Six6VI not found on any object listed above

 

[Redfox]

That looks consistent with what the UI told you.

Personally, I think ED handing out this First Discovery bonus was bug, an issue with timeouts or sth similar. I can't imagine a star (especially with a HIP designation) within 200ly from Sol not having been scanned, as we've got data submitted to EDSM from more than two years back.

If you do decide to submit a ticket, please let us know the outcome.

 

[Six6VI]

With this being an account specific issue I would raise a support ticket as FDev can look in the back end and we players here can only speculate

As for speculating that system is so close I highly doubt it remained unexplored until 2017. The 2015 date someone quoted seems more legit. Most likely a bug where you got the first disco bonus when you should'nt have.
Still worth checking tho.

This sounds about right, lol

I'll resist the urge to put in a ticket in case they take action to recover the over payment.

Meh, they'll never read this, or fix it. I'm safe

 

[Orvidius]

*CDO = OCD in the correct alphabetical order

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