General / Off-Topic Fix the act, not the room.

[Swan Electro]

You get whatever audience you get, and there's no changing them. If they aren't feeling what you are laying down, it's not their fault.
It's time to use another set-list, or try to play some requests.

if you start to resent the room for not liking your act, they will resent you right back, and probably just walk out on you.
I've seen it happen plenty. "He who pays the piper, calls the tune."

I'm no authority on games, but I imagine the same applies to devs and gamers. (or even different factions of a gaming community)
If gamers are floundering, or putting down a game unfinished, telling them that the game is fine, and that they are crap players is not going to help you.

 

[babelfisch]

Please tell us more.

 

[Siranui]

If gamers are floundering, or putting down a game unfinished, telling them that the game is fine, and that they are crap players is not going to help you.

Or, instead of looking at the people complaining on the boards, they could use their own data to see usage, and remember that unhappy customers are over 10 times more likely to comment than happy ones.

 

[Swan Electro]

That's really all I had to say about it, but here's some fake quotes:

"Don't get insulted because raves don't groove to Hank Williams Tunes" - caleb 'speedy' wantanabi.
"Don't blame players who want to pew-pew-pew when you want them to take in the beauty of a well-crafted vista" - Keith Sommers, developer on Derp-Storm 2.iv

 

[Snooch leBooch]

Hmm.. I feel like it's not this easy. There is just no real genre to follow. Some people came to see a blues band because they think that's what they paid for/what was on the poster, while others come to see some jazz.. Others, pop. And they all ended up in the same room waiting for the band to play to their liking.

If it was possible or feasible to define what exactly and fundamentally makes or brakes a sci-fi game for various and quite different takers (economical reasons say no) that would be another story. Unlikely to happen.

 

[Swan Electro]

...unhappy customers are over 10 times more likely to comment than happy ones.

Interesting statistic. what's that trace back to?
Not that I don't believe it. I know that it's harder to get an ovation, than to get boo'd off the stage.

 

[kalniel]

You get whatever audience you get, and there's no changing them. If they aren't feeling what you are laying down, it's not their fault.
It's time to use another set-list, or try to play some requests.

if you start to resent the room for not liking your act, they will resent you right back, and probably just walk out on you.
I've seen it happen plenty. "He who pays the piper, calls the tune."

Respectfully, I disagree entirely. Such thinking led to the proliferation of FPS games that all seemed clones of each other "It's what the market wants!".

On the other hand, if you make a game that you have a vision for, and it has enough of an audience to make it viable, then stick to your guns and don't turn it into something that just appeals to the same mainstream audience that all the other games target.

 

[CMDR Endincite]

Complications arise between remaining true to the nature of the series (single player, one against the galaxy) and thus the people who made the game possible, and being popular with a current audience. Fans of MMO are used to games catering specifically to them, while most single player games make you the hero (or at least more signficant) where Elite leans toward a more realistic level of significance for one pilot in a human civilization of trillions.

 

[Swan Electro]

Hmm.. I feel like it's not this easy. There is just no real genre to follow. Some people came to see a blues band because they think that's what they paid for/what was on the poster, while others come to see some jazz.. Others, pop. And they all ended up in the same room waiting for the band to play to their liking.

If it was possible or feasible to define what exactly and fundamentally makes or brakes a sci-fi game for various and quite different takers (economical reasons say no) that would be another story. Unlikely to happen.

True. There's no way of telling exactly who's going to show up.
Once you've got the butts in the seats, though. It's important that they feel like you are happy that they are there, even if they aren't into you.
ESPECIALLY if they aren't into you.

 

[babelfisch]

Are really all people leaving the room or is it just one? BTW if you listen to radio you'll notice that the most successful musicians are always the worst.

 

[Siranui]

Interesting statistic. what's that trace back to?
Not that I don't believe it. I know that it's harder to get an ovation, than to get boo'd off the stage.

Marketing rule of thumb, based in me working in marketing.

Well, if you disregard any facts which disagree with you, I'm afraid there's not much more to say.

How about some DJ experience:

"Play some AC/DC"
"This is a hard dance night"
"But this is rubbish. Play some AC/DC. Nobody wants this."
*looks at full dance floor*

 

[Bran Tse Mallory]

You get whatever audience you get, and there's no changing them. If they aren't feeling what you are laying down, it's not their fault.
It's time to use another set-list, or try to play some requests.

if you start to resent the room for not liking your act, they will resent you right back, and probably just walk out on you.
I've seen it happen plenty. "He who pays the piper, calls the tune."

I'm no authority on games, but I imagine the same applies to devs and gamers. (or even different factions of a gaming community)
If gamers are floundering, or putting down a game unfinished, telling them that the game is fine, and that they are crap players is not going to help you.

I really don't get this... I mean it this time, I'm not just being a confused old chap. It seems to me your implying that one of the Frontier devs has told you or someone you know that they are a bad player? Other than that all I can see is a rant about pandering to the needs of people who just want to change your product into something it was never planned or advertised to be after paying just £40 towards a project that has cost millions and is not even finished yet!

 

[babelfisch]

I really don't get this... I mean it this time, I'm not just being a confused old chap. It seems to me your implying that one of the Frontier devs has told you or someone you know that they are a bad player? Other than that all I can see is a rant about pandering to the needs of people who just want to change your product into something it was never planned or advertised to be after paying just £40 towards a project that has cost millions and is not even finished yet!

I understand it the other way around, but OP is cryptic anyway so maybe I am wrong.

 

[Soon(TM)]

Are really all people leaving the room or is it just one? BTW if you listen to radio you'll notice that the most successful musicians are always the worst.

Honey to the G?

 

[Mohrgan]

You know, if the room has a reputation for a certain type of band/music it isn't likely that a few new customers, dissatisfied on a night will make an impact. I've played in many rooms that cater to Roots/Blues music. When a band whips out an Aerosmith song, there's going to be trouble. Conversely, if a patron starts calling for a rendition of Freebird, things can get ugly too. What I'm saying is; FD has opened a room for a certain kind of game. People looking for a different style of game, really should be taking that into consideration.

Don't walk in on a blues band, and start asking for Bieber tunes....

 

[Bran Tse Mallory]

I understand it the other way around, but OP is cryptic anyway so maybe I am wrong.

Oh, so maybe I am just confused again! Wouldn't surprise me in the least

 

[Swan Electro]

I understand it the other way around, but OP is cryptic anyway so maybe I am wrong.

Yeah, Analogies are a really crap way to say what you mean, anyway.
So, I'll put a finer point on it.

comments like:
"... are playing with the wrong mind-set"
"The problem is players who such-and-such"
"Players who want to blah,blah,blah. should go play some other game."
Or, for barking sake, "get gud"

are counter-productive.
The best you can hope for, is to prematurely drain the player base, and that is no good for the life-span of the game.
That's my point.

Also, most phrases that use the word "just" are zero-sum arguments.

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...Don't walk in on a blues band, and start asking for Bieber tunes....

I want every one of you to know this:
When I'm playing, if you've paid the cover, you can call out for whatever you dang-well please. Yes, I can play freebird.

 

[Mohrgan]

I want every one of you to know this:
When I'm playing, if you've paid the cover, you can call out for whatever you dang-well please. Yes, I can play freebird.

Everyone can play Freebird. The point is, if the room (game) has a rep, don;t expect it to suddenly become a request bar. If E|D was supposed to be a top 40 cover band, you'd have a point. When I play that kind of gig, it's all cool. But when I'm playing with a blues band, don't come asking for 'Oops I did it again'.

 

[Swan Electro]

...But when I'm playing with a blues band, don't come asking for 'Oops I did it again'.

Have you ever heard a blues cover of 'Oops I did it again' ? Me neither, but now, I really want to.

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look what I found on youtube!
[video=youtube;u5nX-nBn_ko]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5nX-nBn_ko[/video]

 

[babelfisch]

Have you ever heard a blues cover of 'Oops I did it again' ? Me neither, but now, I really want to.

I think that's the point.