Flashbacks of being taught to kill...

[WR3ND]

These are things some of us try and forget because we care about others and regardless of the inner lucid beast potential, humanity, and compassion pulls us back to sanity.

Being taught to kill is something we must live with the ramifications of. We are not born killers, if we are human, and yet in many games this is the default we are relegated to, as the human potential for conflict engagement can be realized within a game without lasting or apparent consequences.

To kill, you must choose not to care or be motivated enough by passion. In a game this follows similar trajectories of conscious for those of us that have had too much experience with these sort of things. Companion is the way forward many of us find to deal with our own baggage.

It's a shame this isn't as much of a viable option in games these days, and an untapped potential.

A fun game and all that. Context, my fellow Commanders. That is what we need, and other options.

The fight you win is the fight you don't need to fight. I am not your enemy.

 

[Aashenfox]

On the contrary, killers is our default state, and civilisation is an illusion. Denying our true nature will make us psychotic eventually.

There's a very important psychology article all corporate office workers should read. It deals with denying your nature. For example, if you are by nature an angry person, in the workplace you will try to keep that under wraps. Similarly, if you are very passive as a person, but are forced to manage and sometimes fire people, that confrontation is against your nature. This is a form of self oppression, many believe will be the end of us.

Our nature is selfish, violent and territorial. Video games provide an important outlet for some of those base emotions. You don't think you're violent? Really? How do you feel about children being sold into sex slavery? Gives you violent urges? Me too and I'm as balanced a personality as you'll find.

 

[WR3ND]

On the contrary, killers is our default state, and civilisation is an illusion. Denying our true nature will make us psychotic eventually.

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That's utter tosh. People are naturally social creatures. We've progressed for millennia because of it.

If you can't see it, you're blind.

 

[Aashenfox]

That's utter tosh. People are naturally social creatures. We've progressed for millennia because of it.

If you can't see it, you're blind.

Lol, ok. So with no laws, there would be less crime, eh?

 

[Whitehair]

Lol, ok. So with no laws, there would be less crime, eh?

If crime is breaking laws, then yes

 

[Rubbernuke]

People and places are simply clay for me to mould.

And remember, its not murder if you are right...

 

[Cmdr Ultra]

And remember, its not murder if you are right...

The victors write the history books. We are not the good guys we are lead to believe.

 

[Drelthar]

Is this a philosophy forum now?

 

[S~P]

Separated from law and order humans are no better than wild beasts...

 

[WR3ND]

Lol, ok. So with no laws, there would be less crime, eh?

Laws are a relative term, humanity is part of who we are as a whole.

I know killing is a part of humanity within social constructs, don't get me wrong, but it isn't the prevalent force for our engagement and relationships with each other.

 

[Cmdr Ultra]

Is this a philosophy forum now?

Wasn't it always.

 

[WR3ND]

Is this a philosophy forum now?

No. This is an Elite: Dangerous game forum. Might be better suited to the suggestions forum though.

Just have a look at the Fuel Rats.

 

[Cmdr Ultra]

I nominate the OP as the first diplomat to the Thargoid home world.

 

[Stigbob]

Lol, ok. So with no laws, there would be less crime, eh?

With no laws bad people would still be bad and good people would still be good, the majority would still not tip the balance either way.

 

[Kzak]

I limit myself to destroying wanted ships.

Do I kill? Yes, I do. But I kill those that break enough laws that they get a bounty on them and are thus outlaws.

 

[WR3ND]

With no laws bad people would still be bad and good people would still be good, the majority would still not tip the balance either way.

No. The understanding of what is "good" tips the balance. It is natural for us as part of our social evolution. Enemies must be regulated to "others" and seen differently than being a part of the whole, our native tribe, if you will.

Here, we are all Commanders in the Pilots Federation.

Yes, this is a fantasy with many options, but not enough for reasonable interaction that follows human nature and desires, in my opinion.

More ways to help each other, please, Frontier.

 

[Stigbob]

No. The understanding of what is "good" tips the balance. It is natural for us as part of our social evolution. Enemies must be regulated to "others" and seen differently than being a part of the whole, our native tribe, if you will.

Here, we are all Commanders in the Pilots Federation.

Good is relative, I use it in the context of the society I live in where it's wrong to kill except in exceptional circumstances.

A few hundred years ago burning people at the stake for knowing some herbal remedies was widely considered to be good. Laws just regulate who decides on guilt how it's regulated and what punishment is warranted, based on our constantly evolving ideas of good and bad.

Not that any of it applies to video games.

 

[WR3ND]

Good is relative...

Only to an extent. Learning to survive with each other, work together, and advance because of it is prevalent as part of our nature, in my opinion.

 

[Cmdr Ultra]

Do I kill? Yes, I do. But I kill those that break enough laws that they get a bounty on them and are thus outlaws

Yeah you have to kill those 200 credit bounty scum.

 

[znôrt]

On the contrary, killers is our default state, and civilisation is an illusion. Denying our true nature will make us psychotic eventually.

i think he means killing for other's property, as in e.g. the army, to fight in wars. that's not a natural instinct at all, people need to be brainwashed into it, with a narrative. it actually starts pretty soon, at tender age, where tales and movies show examples of 'good' reasons to kill the 'bad' guys. when it matters, media and propaganda make sure to clearly show who the 'bad guys' are, and reduce them to non-human form, not only for the actual killers to do so without remorse, but for the rest of the group to sanction and support it: mothers send their kids to the cause, and all pay taxes to fund the whole thing.

this of course exploits our lizard brain and our violent instincts, which are there but are not the whole story. but no, being killers is not our natural state at all.