Fleet Carriers in Colonia!

[Deleted member 182079]

I've toyed with the idea of building a modest Tritium miner in Colonia, to mine and sell it to local FCs, given the drought in the region. Ship is ready to go since yesterday.

When I check Inara, there's precisely two carriers that have buy orders in place.

Now, I know that FCs don't show there if you have your docking access limited, and I noticed quite a few there limit their docking to squadron/friends, but what gives? Do I have to scrap my business plan and just sell regular commodities to stations the old boring way?

 

[Factabulous]

Interesting. So maybe the great Colonia Tritium Drought is a forum construct? Wouldn't be the first time doom had been declared without reason.

Maybe just put the Tritium for sale on your carrier and see if it goes? (I imagine it would )

 

[Episparh]

That's the problem of player driven economy. Buyers want it cheap and only when they need it.
Producers/Brokers want it expensive and available to sell when in a mood to do it.

You have no insurance that if someone buys 1k tons, the order will be there when you have 500t.

Could be solved with delivery orders similar to missions.

 

[Deleted member 182079]

It's not even to make a lot of credits. It's my alt account which doesn't require credits as such, it's really more for role playing purposes and to help stranded FCs out a little (though I'm not doing it for free either). I'd be happy enough with 60k/ton but there simply don't seem to be any takers, at least I can't see them. Will try docking somewhere to see if the commodities market window points me to them.

 

[goemon]

I'm pretty sure if you ask around one of the discords (fleet carrier owners club, colonia citizen network, fleetcom ...), there will be many takers. but of course it's irritating if nobody sets up buy orders or access for everyone, who needs tritium.

 

[ADAMtheWELSHMANz]

I would imagine a lot of Cmdrs out there have a "wait and see" mindset as FDev may still be looking at balancing.

If they only need to hop around a little; staying in Colonia region, then missions or a spot of mining will do them.

Your market would be the ppl looking to return to the bubble or top up before heading further out and until FDev confirm tritium levels are where they should be I'd guess a lot of players would be reluctant to setup any buy order for over the 40k/ton avg.

If I was in your shoes I'd stockpile it aboard your carrier ready to sell, (or to use yourself), but if your alt doesn't have access to one then I guess station selling might be your best bet.

 

[goemon]

but you know what could be fun? as i have an alt in colonia, too - founding a mining wing to load up carriers.

 

[Episparh]

It's not even to make a lot of credits. It's my alt account which doesn't require credits as such, it's really more for role playing purposes and to help stranded FCs out a little (though I'm not doing it for free either). I'd be happy enough with 60k/ton but there simply don't seem to be any takers, at least I can't see them. Will try docking somewhere to see if the commodities market window points me to them.

If you have a FC just set a price you feel reasonable and let the buyers care about logistics.

 

[Deleted member 182079]

I'm pretty sure if you ask around one of the discords (fleet carrier owners club, colonia citizen network, fleetcom ...), there will be many takers. but of course it's irritating if nobody sets up buy orders or access for everyone, who needs tritium.

Unless carrier owners in Colonia really don't need to move their carriers at the moment, or prefer the mining themselves, I don't see why the mountain should come to the prophet bottom line is I'm too lazy to bend over backwards to get rid of my merchandise, so just ended up selling it at a station (have a guess which one). It wasn't much, 54t, but every little helps as the ad says...

Should've probably just spent this mining session on my main account but the backdrop is pretty scenic to be fair.

 

[Deleted member 182079]

Oh and just to clarify - I don't have a carrier on my alt - Mostly Harmless, 90m in the bank and 3 humble ships to their name. I don't need the credits (and it wouldn't pay a lot either because I can't provide the volume to make it really pay unless CMDRs set a 6 digit price), but I thought it'd be a fun thing to do. I'll monitor the situation anyways and if I come across a carrier that has a buy order in place, I'll see what I can do.

 

[Deleted member 182079]

but you know what could be fun? as i have an alt in colonia, too - founding a mining wing to load up carriers.

If I was into squadron play I'd be tempted to set something up. It's not a bad idea and makes the best of a bad situation with emergent gameplay.

 

[Deleted member 182079]

Interesting. So maybe the great Colonia Tritium Drought is a forum construct? Wouldn't be the first time doom had been declared without reason.

Maybe just put the Tritium for sale on your carrier and see if it goes? (I imagine it would )

I have noticed that carriers don't move a lot at all, in fact I recognise carriers being in the same spot for weeks now. It is a much smaller bubble to be fair, I'd be hard pressed to consider a FC worth it if I was just based there - you can get anywhere within the nebula with 2-3 jumps even in a combat ship.

 

[Factabulous]

I have noticed that carriers don't move a lot at all, in fact I recognise carriers being in the same spot for weeks now. It is a much smaller bubble to be fair, I'd be hard pressed to consider a FC worth it if I was just based there - you can get anywhere within the nebula with 2-3 jumps even in a combat ship.

Even in general most FC don't jump - this is the data from the last few weeks:

Spoiler: Days when a FC jumped

Most never moved. ofc this was during the tritium drought - looking forward to seeing if it changes now things are better (probably not - wandering around a lot seem to be PMF trophies). Might try running a similar set of stats splitting between bubble / colonia / deep space and see how that looks

 

[askavir]

It's not even to make a lot of credits. It's my alt account which doesn't require credits as such, it's really more for role playing purposes and to help stranded FCs out a little (though I'm not doing it for free either). I'd be happy enough with 60k/ton but there simply don't seem to be any takers, at least I can't see them. Will try docking somewhere to see if the commodities market window points me to them.

I doubt anyone would buy you tritium for 60k in colonia (or anywhere, unless truly desperate, or ultra-rich).

To stay at colonia, which is a microscopic bubble, there's no need to move the carrier. To travel elsewhere to explore, nobody sane would fill their carrier buying 25000 tons of Tritium at 60k. Might as well decommission the carrier, grab a suicidewinder to teleport back to the bubble, repurchase the carrier there and fill up at 40k.

Given that fueling carriers by mining is only appealing to hamsters, if I were at colonia I would either let the carrier stay put or decom and teleport back to the bubble. Filling up a carrier at 40k already costs a billion which is already completely ridiculous, at 60k it would cost 1.5 billion, so there that's why you have no costumers

 

[Deleted member 182079]

I doubt anyone would buy you tritium for 60k in colonia (or anywhere, unless truly desperate, or ultra-rich).

To stay at colonia, which is a microscopic bubble, there's no need to move the carrier. To travel elsewhere to explore, nobody sane would fill their carrier buying 25000 tons of Tritium at 60k. Might as well decommission the carrier, grab a suicidewinder to teleport back to the bubble, repurchase the carrier there and fill up at 40k.

Given that fueling carriers by mining is only appealing to hamsters, if I were at colonia I would either let the carrier stay put or decom and teleport back to the bubble. Filling up a carrier at 40k already costs a billion which is already completely ridiculous, at 60k it would cost 1.5 billion, so there that's why you have no costumers

Well, the 60k was just an example (based on my very own buy order of 1000t at 60k on my main account ), I'm saying there's not one carrier (well, there's 2, but that's it) that buys at even 2k, based on Inara of course - and the in-game tools to identify those are, as always, not great. I don't really know what the overlap is between CMDRs not sharing data with Inara and those who did put buy orders in.

Just a bit strange unless people have just given up and/or as was mentioned above already, people are waiting in the hope of the markets getting fixed - which still only would mean that Tritium will be available in Colonia again at ~40k. Hoping for anything beyond that is probably naive.

And my target audience isn't so much people trying to get their carriers back to the bubble etc., it's those who stay in Colonia and surroundings but don't want to mine even small volumes of Tritium (from reading some posts on the forum apparently mining is the worst ever activity in the world).

 

[Viscera]

Ah, does this make you a....

Trite Knight?

Good idea though, just a shame the "woe is me" brigade seem to be beyond actually organising themselves to benefit from it.

But then heaven forbid they may have to buy tritium at a fair price to those that are actually prepared to mine for it.

 

[Deleted member 38366]

I'd reckon that any Group/Squadron restricted Carrier there belongs to BGS or related activities.
Given the small size of Colonia, these Operators will likely not be in great need of Tritium.

When it comes to becoming a "professional Tritium Miner", Exploration Carriers are likely the best bet.

I'd recommend to contact a few of the independent owners for coordination, then maybe hook up with one for a while.
I'm quite sure there's still plenty of Exploration Carriers around who'd greatly appreciate Tritium Mining Support when attempting to launch from Colonia (and many of those should pay sufficiently well).

 

[Snowymonk]

I've toyed with the idea of building a modest Tritium miner in Colonia, to mine and sell it to local FCs, given the drought in the region. Ship is ready to go since yesterday.

When I check Inara, there's precisely two carriers that have buy orders in place.

Now, I know that FCs don't show there if you have your docking access limited, and I noticed quite a few there limit their docking to squadron/friends, but what gives? Do I have to scrap my business plan and just sell regular commodities to stations the old boring way?

I can see 5 Fleet carriers near Colonia requesting Tritium (mine included in Ratraii)
I think that people may have just given up on the request due to the poor stock levels in stations.
I will be leaving the Colonia mini-bubble tonight, any sales gratefully recieved.

 

[Deleted member 182079]

I'd reckon that any Group/Squadron restricted Carrier there belongs to BGS or related activities.
Given the small size of Colonia, these Operators will likely not be in great need of Tritium.

When it comes to becoming a "professional Tritium Miner", Exploration Carriers are likely the best bet.

I'd recommend to contact a few of the independent owners for coordination, then maybe hook up with one for a while.
I'm quite sure there's still plenty of Exploration Carriers around who'd greatly appreciate Tritium Mining Support when attempting to launch from Colonia (and many of those should pay sufficiently well).

Yeah I get the access restriction issue, I recognise most carriers (including quite a few posters from the forums!) are involved in BGS work/wars.

I wouldn't have the energy/drive to organise things as such myself, though I would probably hop onboard if someone else were to do it. Was just an idea I had and thought that based on the number of carriers I come across in the bubble who do have buy orders in place (some at pretty good prices within the 60-100k range, if I ignore the really high offers as they're either traps or someone's boosting someone else) it would be even more pronounced in Colonia due to the markets drying up.

 

[Kimosabe_X]

At least it would be much cheaper than delivering H² straight from the bubble.

One had to charge in between 155k - 160k Cr / ton H³ to break even, depending on buying price carrier fuel consumption back and forth and so on

But the real problem is that carrier owners still can't set a fix amount to sell so maybe the hold is totally emptied fast and the tanker would be stranded in Colonia, too...

Option B would be a one way trip and decomission the carrier afterwards, but that process takes too long to make a "real" business out of it and suicidewind back to the bubble, rinse and repeat...

Option C might be a fleet of 9-10 Type-9s as "fueltanks", each one loaded with around 750 t H³ to provide the needed Tritium to get back to the bubble.
Problem here, you need quite some alt-commanders yourself, or enough trustworthy friends...