So as of right now they have canceled console development AND stopped console to PC transfers. Give them one year to try to figure this out and then they will cancel transfers permanently. That announcement will be made at the same time as the console server shut down.
Free or Paid Account transfer to pc?
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There is no reason in my mind that Fdev can't "clone" console accounts, make the necessary adjustments to fix CMDR names and any other data that would be console specfic, and place those saves attached to our Frontier Accounts with PC login flags.
Only 2 years ago, there was a bug that allowed xbox accounts, forsure, to be logged into on PC.
There were small things like CMDR names that wouldn't show correctly, but the Save file was obviously compatible enough to be loaded by PC, even with the "undecodable" data like CMDR names.
Since then, there has only been Odyssey as a major update... and since consoles are still behind that, I don't see any issues with cloning Horizons saves, editing the required things, and then letting those saves be used on PC with Horizons or Odyssey.
1) Clone our console accounts
2) Fix any issues in the clones to work on PC correctly
3) Then drop the saves on our Frontier accounts with PC flags requires to load them.
4) The first time these "Horizons" saves are opened in Odyssey, they will auto update any configuration required, just as all previous users didn't have to do anything.
Not too mention, Odyssey saves on PC can still be loaded in Horizons, just with the loss of the content, much like Horizons saves could be opened in Base Game if one chose to do so. So quite litterally, besides some information like CMDR names needing fixing, the saves are basically identical between Horizons and Odyssey and to claim otherwise is not true.
And with the below attached screenshots, we can see the proof that console and PC saves are also compatible, if not fully readable without modification. Confirmed by a fdev community manager as well.
There is no reason to not do this for console users.
Other than fdev simply being unwilling to do so for what ever reason they choose, cost, time, ect... but saying it's not possible, would be blatantly ignoring the facts and proof that is readily available.
It may have been disallowed for "cross-save" previously to prevent cross-play, and unfair advantages, but this is not that in this situation.
In this situation we're asking fdev to manually move the information, and not too keep the console login accessible, essentially, delete the console account after, so any attempt to play on console after the transfer, would require a new CMDR and starting from scratch on console, with the knowledge of being limited to Horizons permanently.
Even at this point, fdev might not have to do much work themselves even, if they were smarter than I think they are tbh.
Let's say,
they open cross platform Save access for a period of time, 1 month for example, as we can see below was possible only 2 years ago via a "bug", but could obviously be reintroduced as a temporary feature.
Allow users to load their profiles on PC, and change their CMDR names to be readable/desirable instead of xbox/ps gamer tag IDs... just make it so once they change their CMDR name from a PC platform, their Save file flag changes permanently to PC.
That would automatically remove access to the Save file from console and should be all that is needed. And should give console users 100% of all of their information, ranks, purchases, ect, without changing thier email address or anything else.
The only difficulty would be existing PC users.
Merging would be a different situation.
Worst case, i would think, if you want your console account, you have to delete your current PC cmdr, it's all or nothing. But there should be no reason that can't be done.
Merging would take more time and effort and likely would be left with the old option of credits for assets value and nothing else, otherwise manual editing of all Save information would need to take place for each Merging user and that would be a bit excessive maybe.
But if my automated process of letting users basically do it themselves is even remotely possible, they should allow it. It would really fix the hurt they've caused and likely change the stance of users like myself who were willing to keep buying updates on xbox, and also play on mobile game pass which pays them per play, that have large ARX balances and heavily engineered ships. We shouldn't loose all of that if we want to play on Odyssey while existing PC users get to keep all their Pre-Odyssey stuff.
Users like me have spent alot of money on ED and to loose my progress over somthing as trivial as this situation isn't a nice experience.
But I was buying Fdev content, just to support their company, even if I didn't play. I bought PC ED and Odyssey just to support them and try VR and Odyssey once. I have under 24hours play time on PC. On xbox, I have thousands of hours and over 2000 first discovered systems, scanned in full. I was considering buying F1 Manager, just too support them, but I won't be if I lose my console account to play on Odyssey. I don't play racing games like that, but I would have bought it to support fdev anyways, won't be now... If fdev wants to ever make a penny off of users like myself, with lots of spending money and a singular interest in ED, they need to allow these account transfers to happen.
ED alone was my Holy Grail of video games, somthing I hoped to play, pay for updates, buy ARX, pay for servers, ect, for the rest of my life, litterally. But that won't be happening if I can't keep my xbox cmdr data on the newest content (PC) going forward. ED will become just another game that didn't live upto its possibilities, a waste of money on console, and destroy any support for any future fdev or Elite games ever being considered for purchase or play, as I will always be reminded of this.
Only 2 years ago, there was a bug that allowed xbox accounts, forsure, to be logged into on PC.
There were small things like CMDR names that wouldn't show correctly, but the Save file was obviously compatible enough to be loaded by PC, even with the "undecodable" data like CMDR names.
Since then, there has only been Odyssey as a major update... and since consoles are still behind that, I don't see any issues with cloning Horizons saves, editing the required things, and then letting those saves be used on PC with Horizons or Odyssey.
1) Clone our console accounts
2) Fix any issues in the clones to work on PC correctly
3) Then drop the saves on our Frontier accounts with PC flags requires to load them.
4) The first time these "Horizons" saves are opened in Odyssey, they will auto update any configuration required, just as all previous users didn't have to do anything.
Not too mention, Odyssey saves on PC can still be loaded in Horizons, just with the loss of the content, much like Horizons saves could be opened in Base Game if one chose to do so. So quite litterally, besides some information like CMDR names needing fixing, the saves are basically identical between Horizons and Odyssey and to claim otherwise is not true.
And with the below attached screenshots, we can see the proof that console and PC saves are also compatible, if not fully readable without modification. Confirmed by a fdev community manager as well.
There is no reason to not do this for console users.
Other than fdev simply being unwilling to do so for what ever reason they choose, cost, time, ect... but saying it's not possible, would be blatantly ignoring the facts and proof that is readily available.
It may have been disallowed for "cross-save" previously to prevent cross-play, and unfair advantages, but this is not that in this situation.
In this situation we're asking fdev to manually move the information, and not too keep the console login accessible, essentially, delete the console account after, so any attempt to play on console after the transfer, would require a new CMDR and starting from scratch on console, with the knowledge of being limited to Horizons permanently.
Even at this point, fdev might not have to do much work themselves even, if they were smarter than I think they are tbh.
Let's say,
they open cross platform Save access for a period of time, 1 month for example, as we can see below was possible only 2 years ago via a "bug", but could obviously be reintroduced as a temporary feature.
Allow users to load their profiles on PC, and change their CMDR names to be readable/desirable instead of xbox/ps gamer tag IDs... just make it so once they change their CMDR name from a PC platform, their Save file flag changes permanently to PC.
That would automatically remove access to the Save file from console and should be all that is needed. And should give console users 100% of all of their information, ranks, purchases, ect, without changing thier email address or anything else.
The only difficulty would be existing PC users.
Merging would be a different situation.
Worst case, i would think, if you want your console account, you have to delete your current PC cmdr, it's all or nothing. But there should be no reason that can't be done.
Merging would take more time and effort and likely would be left with the old option of credits for assets value and nothing else, otherwise manual editing of all Save information would need to take place for each Merging user and that would be a bit excessive maybe.
But if my automated process of letting users basically do it themselves is even remotely possible, they should allow it. It would really fix the hurt they've caused and likely change the stance of users like myself who were willing to keep buying updates on xbox, and also play on mobile game pass which pays them per play, that have large ARX balances and heavily engineered ships. We shouldn't loose all of that if we want to play on Odyssey while existing PC users get to keep all their Pre-Odyssey stuff.
Users like me have spent alot of money on ED and to loose my progress over somthing as trivial as this situation isn't a nice experience.
But I was buying Fdev content, just to support their company, even if I didn't play. I bought PC ED and Odyssey just to support them and try VR and Odyssey once. I have under 24hours play time on PC. On xbox, I have thousands of hours and over 2000 first discovered systems, scanned in full. I was considering buying F1 Manager, just too support them, but I won't be if I lose my console account to play on Odyssey. I don't play racing games like that, but I would have bought it to support fdev anyways, won't be now... If fdev wants to ever make a penny off of users like myself, with lots of spending money and a singular interest in ED, they need to allow these account transfers to happen.
ED alone was my Holy Grail of video games, somthing I hoped to play, pay for updates, buy ARX, pay for servers, ect, for the rest of my life, litterally. But that won't be happening if I can't keep my xbox cmdr data on the newest content (PC) going forward. ED will become just another game that didn't live upto its possibilities, a waste of money on console, and destroy any support for any future fdev or Elite games ever being considered for purchase or play, as I will always be reminded of this.
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@ the above .....what.... come on Fdev.
I know right? It's almost beyond ridiculous that fdev won't say if they are going to allow the transfers, even if it will take them a month or somthing to setup the process.
Please feel free to share the screenshots and information I've stated anywhere.
Twitter, FB, Email, flood Fdev with it, share with your friends to do the same.
The more we show them we know the truth, the more likelihood we have they will make a decision in a reasonable time period, which in my opinion was the day the told us there would be no new content for console ever, this decision should have been discussed and made before the announcement as it is... if we don't, it will end up another period of, "we don't know", then they'll just say they can't do transfers at all, even credits, and make anyone who wants to play buy everything and redo all their work, which again is unfair that PC CMDRs don't have too restart while console cmdrs do, never mind the ARX and community rewards that will be lost.
But yea, I'm extremely disappointed at this point.
So, a bug exposed a PC's ability to share a save game from an Xbox account, yet Harvey Paige tells everyone we will shortly fix that bug.
Apparently, it is possible to have PC's share an Xbox save game. Well, that's one platform that could be migrated.
What's wrong with you Frontier? A bug exposed the fact that a PC can share a platform game save and you shut this down?
Why not investigate this bug and see if there is any potential in becoming a feature for PC's to use console game saves?
Apparently, it is possible to have PC's share an Xbox save game. Well, that's one platform that could be migrated.
What's wrong with you Frontier? A bug exposed the fact that a PC can share a platform game save and you shut this down?
Why not investigate this bug and see if there is any potential in becoming a feature for PC's to use console game saves?
I understand the reasoning behind stopping it in the past.
It was to prevent any console users from gaining an unfair advantage over other console users, by having access too a gaming PC, loading their game, using PC only tools and ect to do/complete some tasks, gain ranks or rep, ect, that would be more difficult without the tools, and then returning to console with those advantages having been used that other users on console would not have had access too, thereby having the unfair advantage over other users on your platform.
And the basic account transfer of assets credit value in the past, was to give you a head start in cash on a new platform, but still make you have to play extended hours to regain everything, so that their avg player base numbers would remain higher because you would be forced to play more to regain your original status.
But that's not what's being asked for now.
Specifically we are asking to load our console saves to PC only once, and permanently, never return them to console. So no advantage would be gained.
And, we shouldn't have to restart and regain and earn everything again, because the only reason needed for this one time change over, is because of the choice being made by fdev to not give Odyssey content to console, a decision we have no choice in and shouldn't be turned into victims of lost time, money, community rewards, ect, when there is a perfectly valid available option for us not too loose anything while still getting access to new content, even if some ppl might have to repurchase the game itself on PC (even though i think anyone with console Horizons should get PC Horizons, atleast, for free), atleast they would have their personal content still.
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I fully understand your point. The reason was a cheat.
But, it also says it is possible and can be done, as a mechanism for an Xbox to PC transfer. Frontier knows this and for the reasons you gave above, bug fixed it. It still represents a possibility and a mechanism which has proven to work. So, if Frontier were to finally state, it's not possible, well, B******T.
Frontier also has an API which is capable of transferring commander data out. It could be adapted for this purpose.
No. I have bought ED for both the PC and PS4. I am not gibing these people any more money..... ever again.
Mass respsonse? In other words a form letter.
Any announcement made by FD cannot assume that there is any trust left amongst some gamers when it comes to announcements.................. ever again.
What’s crazy to me is absent of purchased items via real money I would have expected this to be a result of asking for a transfer.
whatever they do, I or we all know it’s possible however that doesn’t mean they don’t have some agreement in place preventing it.
I do hope they update with the following:
1. exact copy so those of us on PC now will have to agree to delete our existing PC account in favor of the copied account or use a different and new PC account. (Being practical here, we can’t have it all)
2. Not delete the Xbox or PlayStation save (because they are not refunding our Xbox purchases, these requests are as a result of their decision to stop development)
3. separate the worlds permanently so in essence PC can’t see or impact console via BGS, Fleet Carriers, etc (this is important)
Big thanks for those replies.